Talk:Christ Church, Jerusalem

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Shaftesbury and LSJ[edit]

Have added reference to initial opposition and the strength of lobbying necessary to construction. Incidentally is Christ Church really oldest Protestant Church in the whole of the Middle East in 1849? I am sure there are older in Egypt. Should this not read Holy Land or Israel? Cpsoper (talk) 11:10, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see the Anglican church called St Mark's in Alexandria is claimed to have been completed in 1839[1], however JMECA dates first service as 25/12/1854[2], so perhaps it's true.Cpsoper (talk) 11:43, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox: Country[edit]

The Infobox has an option for country, clearly this is contested. Our options are

Israel
Palestine
Israel / Palestine (organised alphabetically - i before p.)

While I personally believe that Christ Church, Jerusalem is located in Israel (history + annexation of territory) the most neutral option would be a dual listing organised alphabetically. Knobbly (talk) 03:13, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, a fourth option is to omit the country entirely. This is what is done with the Old City (Jerusalem) article, presumably after much debate. St Anselm (talk) 03:28, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. I've removed it. This is an article about a building - let's keep the sovereignty dispute elsewhere. Church of the Holy Sepulchre also takes this approach. SmilingFace (talk) 09:51, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Legally East Jerusalem is under Israel's jurisdiction and sovereignty, at least at present. This is not a matter of opinion or sentiment, it's a plain fact. Cpsoper (talk) 19:09, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, that is not true. East Jerusalem is not under Israeli soveriegnty, it is under Israeli occupation. And that is a super majority POV, claiming that it is in Israel is a minority POV and cannot be stated in Wikipedia's voice. See how Old City (Jerusalem) specifically does not say it is in Israel. Same for East Jerusalem. This is something that has been argued over in articles with much greater visibility than this one, and it is a NPOV violation to claim that places beyond the Green Line are in Israel. nableezy - 20:49, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And I would suggest that, until a consensus is reached for Old City (Jerusalem), we leave the country blank on this page. Otherwise there will just be endless edit wars which will achieve nothing. SmilingFace (talk) 22:38, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There certainly shouldn't be any edit wars. It sounds like this article comes under Palestine-Israel editing sanctions, and I have tagged this page accordingly. St Anselm (talk) 00:31, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Israel's de facto Sovereignty is indisputable. Its de jure Sovereignty is indeed contested, but there is no other state with a just claim, just a non state actor the primary policy priority of which remains the destruction of its counterpart, and an international community which blindly nurtures its delusion and its incitements to murder, to the incalculable harm of ordinary Palestinians, as observers on the ground know all too well. Zechariah 12.1-3 draws closer. Cpsoper (talk) 11:58, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Info box: administration[edit]

I think the details here are wrong, the church is run by the CMJ and is not under the authority of the Anglican bishop in Jerusalem see [3] - "This did not, of course, alter the ownership of Christ Church or the independent status of the Society. Hence, in this unusual situation, the Diocese does not have any authority or jurisdiction over the ministry of the Society"

I propose that this section of the admin box is removed. JMWt (talk) 17:28, 11 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed the diocese accordingly, please refine if needed. Cpsoper (talk) 21:32, 13 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What about the Anglo-Prussian beginnings?[edit]

No bearing on this church? Arminden (talk) 14:01, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]