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@Scu ba: After I reverted this edit of yours, asking for a reliable source, you re-added the claim that the Russian Orthodox Church has "split" from the Eastern Orthodox Church [1]. The source you cite does not say that the Russian Church has split. It only says that the Russian Church "finds it impossible to continue Eucharistic community with" the Church of Constantinople. Only with Constantinople. Russian Church continues fill communion with most other Orthodox churched, like the Church of Serbia and the Church of Jerusalem. So, can you, please, revert your edit as it is not verifiable? Vanjagenije(talk) 21:20, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
what do you think being "impossible to continue Eucharistic community" with the orthodox church means for their membership in the orthodox church. Scu ba (talk) 01:16, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Scu ba: No, they do not say that it is "impossible to continue Eucharistic community" with the orthodox church. They say that it is impossible to continue Eucharistic community with one particular Orthodox church, being the Church of Constantinople. They are still in the eucharistic communion with most other particular churches. Vanjagenije(talk) 09:16, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ecumenical Patriarch is the Primus inter pares, breaking with them is breaking with the orthodox church. Scu ba (talk) 02:20, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As the article tells us, EOC "operates as a communion of autocephalous churches, each governed by its bishops via local synods". My understanding is that if church A breaks with B, churches C, D etc can remain in communion with both if they choose to. Johnbod (talk) 02:51, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
yes on paper the Patriarchs are equal. however, since the creation of the orthodox church, the Ecumenical Patriarch is the First Among Equals, the Primus inter pares, the leader of the orthodox church. they determine canon, they determine autocephalous status. breaking with them is breaking with the orthodox church. The Russian church is currently operating outside of the EOC, totally independently, since they have severed all communion with the Ecumenical Patriarch. Scu ba (talk) 03:25, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Scu ba: Since you are the only one here with such understanding, you should revert your edit, and then seek consensus for its reinstatement (see WP:BRD). Vanjagenije(talk) 14:49, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like original research, with only a primary source used. If they do not self-revert or respond I will revert this. Mellk (talk) 13:16, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How is this original research, patriarch Kirill has directly stated, in plain black and white text, that the Russian Church is no longer affiliated with the Ecumenical Patriarch and is now independent of the Orthodox Church and its structure. Scu ba (talk) 17:11, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, he did not say that Russian Church [...] is now independent of the Orthodox Church and its structure. That is your original research. Vanjagenije(talk) 20:57, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Rejecting the leadership of the Ecumenical Patriarch is rejecting the structure of the Orthodox church as a whole, but seeing as how contentious this is ill revert the edit until a consensus can be reached. Scu ba (talk) 00:41, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is not a single reliable source that says the Ecumenical Patriarch is the “leader” of the Eastern Orthodox Church.
Canonical breaks of communion are not new to the Eastern Orthodox Church and it has happened before in 1996 between the Moscow Patriarchate and the Patriarchate of Constantinople This does not nor has it ever meant that the Churches that break away from the Ecumenical Patriarchate suddenly are their own, new Church.
During the Photian schism, the Patriarchate of Rome broke away from the Patriarchate of Constantinople, yet, there is not a single Church historian who claims that this was a breaking away of the Patriarchates or that Rome was now a new Church.
There was a similar schism between the Moscow Patriarchate and the Patriarchate of Constantinople in the 15th and 16th centuries, yet again, no one considered the Moscow Patriarchate to suddenly be a new Church. Keep in mind this was at a time when communication was limited, and there was no formal (that is, nothing written down) document that amended the schism, it was reconciled 100 years later by Constantinople recognizing the Patriarchate status of the Metropolitan of Moscow, yet the Patriarchates of Moscow and Constantinople were both considered to be “in communion” after 1560.
Church history and Eastern Orthodox ecclesiology is an especially complex matter and making assumptions based off of a non-Orthodox source that the Ecumenical Patriarch is the “leader” of the whole Church and breaking communion with them means you’re no longer Eastern Orthodox only hurts Wikipedia’s reputation.
Hi guys. I would like for you to correct the name/title, at least on the titles, to its complete form. It's not just Orthodox Catholic church. The full title is Orthodox Catholic and Apostolic church, as it is also mentioned in the creedo. Now I've tried one too many times myself which resulted in me getting banned from editing it😂 (I appealed it by explaining that I was not vandalizing). I didn't try it again because couple of months ago I had noticed that they fixed it, but I see that they removed the apostolic part again. I won't try changing it because I don't actually know how to cite a source, so I'm leaving this wall here for someone to notice. Thank you 94.66.58.243 (talk) 04:01, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you can find an official document produced by a synod, council or otherwise similar event that states the name official name of the entire Eastern Orthodox Church is the "Orthodox Catholic and Apostolic Church" then feel free to add it and cite it.
It is worth note that many times, this Church is often just called the Orthodox Church, the Catholic Church (especially by its own members) and the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church as per the Nicene creed, but many official names exist and are used in conjunction with Orthodox Catholic Church. For instance, baptismal certificates from the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America simply refer to the Church as the "Holy Eastern Orthodox Church" with no mention of Catholicity. Oogalee Boogalee (talk) 19:56, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For future reference, Arabic is a vernacular language of the Eastern Orthodox Church. Liturgical Languages would be those which have influenced traditions of Eastern Orthodox Churches and have a special place in the liturgy, such as Koine Greek or Church Slavonic. Arabic, on the other hand, is a vernacular language to the Orthodox Church in that it does not have a special significance like Greek or Slavonic does, and was not used widely by Orthodox Christians before the Muslim Arab conquests in the 7th and 8th centuries spread Arabic to Christian lands.
Furthermore, there is no "Arab Orthodox Church." Churches in Arabic-speaking lands almost entirely refer to themselves as Greek Orthodox. The traditional language of these churches is Greek, not Arabic, although Arabic is used in their services as the vernacular language. Oogalee Boogalee (talk) 19:47, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You must say that "It is one of the dominant religions in Albania and Bosnia-Herzegovina and there is a significant historical minority in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Palestine".
All this information must be in the paragraph where all the orthodox-majority countries are listed. 188.172.111.72 (talk) 21:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done. Please indicate sourcing that supports this. ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:45, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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