Talk:Jaffa Road

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Israel

The word "Israel" was removed from the lead after the word "Jerusalem" in this edit from 2013, which was made by a respected and experienced editor. However I disagree with it. First of all, it is only logical and common to have the country in the lead when we are dealing with an article about a geographical entity. In addition, some will maintain that not all of Jerusalem is in Israel, while the Jaffa Road specifically is all in Israel, and the addition of the word "Israel" helps to make that clear. Debresser (talk) 07:06, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Is it really Jaffa Road?

Is there any particular reason why this article is named "Jaffa Road", and not "Jaffa Street"? The former name appears to be used mainly in Wikimedia projects - and even then not always, as in Wikivoyage, which uses both. The latter name appears to be the one used most often by the locals (and also by Google Maps), although the thoroughfare is also sometimes called just "Jaffa". The name "Jaffa Street" is also the one used on the street sign depicted in one of the images displayed in the article.

Further, as a native speaker of English, I think that the word "street" is more appropriate than "road" for the subject of this article - "street" means "a public road in a city, town, or village, typically with houses and buildings on one or both sides", and the subject of this article completely fits that description. Bahnfrend (talk) 06:07, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

The name on official maps during the British mandate was Jaffa Road. At that time the name applied to the road all the way to Jaffa, and "street" is very rarely applied to long-distance roads. Now there is the J-TA Highway so perhaps the name is only used within Jerusalem. I don't agree with Bahnfrend about common English usage being of help since there are tons of "Road"s similar to this one within the cities of English-speaking countries. Zero^talk 07:45, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

But this isn't an article about a highway from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv. That article is called Highway 1 (Israel), and this article is about a street in Jerusalem. The Times of Israel, the Jerusalem Post, and Haaretz all routinely refer to the street in Jerusalem as "Jaffa Street". If the expression "Jaffa Road" was previously used to describe the Highway, then "Jaffa Road" should be a redirect to Highway 1 (Israel), and this article should be renamed "Jaffa Street". Bahnfrend (talk) 10:15, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

You seem to forget that the street in Jerusalem is part of that road connecting Jaffa and Jerusalem. In earlier times, what is now called Rechov Jaffa in Hebrew, lay outside the city, and was part of the road that connected Jaffa and Jerusalem. Which is why it is called Rechov Jaffa. Same is true for Derech Hevron, which is Hebron Road, which is called so for the same reason. And see File:Hebron Road, Jerusalem IMG 5036.JPG, that it is specifically called "Hebron Road". Debresser (talk) 13:36, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Correct, and anyway the Times of Israel, the Jerusalem Post, and Haaretz each have hundreds of mentions of "Jaffa Road". Look what came at first when I searched at Times of Israel: "JAFFA ROAD — the main road of Jerusalem... it's NOT called Jaffa Street". Zero^talk 19:23, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Revert

Debresser, what do you mean by "in the recognized part" ? [1] What part of Jerusalem is internationally recognized as Israel? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 14:23, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

The part that is not East Jerusalem. Debresser (talk) 17:08, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Do you have any reliable source that shows that West Jerusalem is internationally recognized as Israel? The text in the article doesn't even say West Jerusalem, it says "Jerusalem, Israel", so it is claiming that all of it is Israel. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 05:16, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

That is your POV reading things into it that nobody means to say. Debresser (talk) 13:00, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

You have failed to show that West Jerusalem is internationally recognized as Israel. Revert your POV edit. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 07:21, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Oh please be a little less haughty of tone, your supreme deliciousness. Debresser (talk) 22:28, 9 September 2019 (UTC)