Talk:Ramesses II

Include mention of fake passport claim?

I was listening to a game show recently, where it was claimed that Ramesses II had been issued a passport when transferred to France in 1972. The claim seemed outlandish so I double checked it: it is indeed false. But my first attempt at checking this fact was to look at the wikipedia article, and found nothing. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to add a short sentence explaining that the passport is a hoax. This would help people like me who hear this, and want to fact check it.

I wrote a sentence, which I thought of adding to the "Popular Culture" section, but was not sure if this was a good idea. This is what I wrote: 'In a widely shared Facebook post from September 10 2020 (over 20K shares as of 2022), it was falsely claimed that Ramesses II was issued a passport by the Egyptian authorities when his mummy was transported to France in 1974 (see above). The story was repeated by some major news organizations but has since been thoroughly debunked.'

Do you think this should be added to the article? Ianjauslin (talk) 15:22, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

References

Estimate of number of children

The infobox gives an estimate of between 88-103 children, but the article only mentions 52 sons estimated but no mention of 51 daughters. There needs to be a source for this full number. ★Trekker (talk) 10:19, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Ramesses the self-promoter

I am unsure if this should be included: Ramesses the Great was a superb self-promoter. Does anyone have any opinions on that? Nuretok (talk) 18:27, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Captain obvious. All the monuments Ramesses built were intended to promote his own reputation. The detailed Egyptian description of the Battle of Kadesh (Ramesses' most famous battle) is a famous piece of ancient propaganda. From the main article:

• • "The main source of information is in the Egyptian record of the battle for which a general level of accuracy is assumed, despite factual errors and propaganda. The bombastic nature of Ramesses's version has long been recognized."
  • Some of the sources in the article state something which Wikipedia has avoided to summmarise. Ramesses' inscriptions emphasized his personal courage and presented the battle as a victory, but the heavy Egyptian casualties can directly be attributed to Ramesses' strategic blunders and to Ramesses himself leading the army directly into an enemy ambush. And he actually failed to achieve his strategic goals, as the Egyptian army abandoned the siege of Kadesh and retreated back to Egypt. Dimadick (talk) 08:28, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Prince Regent

The first paragraph under "Early Life" says Ramesses II's father (Seti I) made him (R2) Prince Regent. This is a misuse of the term. It is the father who should be referred to as Prince Regent, ruling in place of the son (therightful monarch) while the son (R2) was still a boy. 2603:8000:D300:33A0:E16D:68CB:F904:23DD (talk) 06:56, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Gold Mining In Nubia

Add under the "building projects and monuments" section in a bullet point that "Ramses II expanded gold mining operations in Akuyati (modern day Wadi Allaqi)"

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Cosmic Nudibranch (talk) 00:59, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Cosmic Nudibranch

 Done. Cheers! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 16:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Ramesseum photo

The photo of Ramesseum is incorrect. It shows the temple built by Ramesses III in Medinet Habu. Lifter67 (talk) 15:00, 13 October 2023 (UTC)