Talk:Tayibe

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Impartial?[edit]

What sort of impartiality is this? "Until the 1950's and 60's, the majority of the inhabitants of the city were Christian Arabs, however many of the original Christian inhabitants immigrated to America and Canada to seek a better economic life rather then remain under illegal Israeli occupation and brutal apartheid control." The phrase "illegal Israeli occupation" implies that the State of Israel is illegitimate and illegal. Tayibe is not in any sort of disputed territory, nor occupied.

"Brutal apartheid control" is just stupid. I live alongside Israeli Arabs who earn more and live better than the Jews who are their neighbors. They own farms and factories, and work in the trades, as professionals and business owners. It is not in any way comparable to apartheid South Africa.

Please sign your posts on talk pages using four tildes. Furthermore, personal observations of users cannot be used in articles, unless they appear in reliable published sources.
This being said, you're obviously correct that calling Israeli lands within the Green Line "illegal Israeli occupation" is a highly partisan position which is disputed by (virtually all) reliable published sources, and talk of "brutal apartheid control", while being somewhat more plausible, is also a partisan position not shared by many (most?) sources.
If these allegations exist, and appear in reliable published sources, they should be reported as allegations. Eleland 15:15, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, come to think of it, they may not have intended to make those accusations. Editor could easily have been confusing Tayibe and Taybeh. Eleland 15:29, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Even if they meant Taybeh and not Tayibe it still is NOP to say that the Israeli occupation is illegal and apartheid. They can reference creditable sources that may draw those conclusion but wikipedia articles are supposed to be impartial and there are obviously two sides in articles that talk about issues related to Palestinian Israeli conflict. It just makes Wikipedia look bad if an article "takes a side" as it were. --Hadees 22:01, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Petersen, 2001, mix-up[edit]

I have generally found Petersen, Andrew (2001), A Gazetteer of Buildings in Muslim Palestine: Volume I (British Academy Monographs in Archaeology) to be very reliable. But on this town there are some mistakes, as references which are for Taybeh, West Bank, are given here. I will list the refs given, and try to find out if it checks out or not. See also Talk:Tira, Israel Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:16, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References exactly as given in Petersen, 2002, p.298 (in bold):

From a snippet, I see it is the one on p144 of the 1894 edition. It is somewhere to the south or south east of Hebron, neither this one nor Taybeh. Note that the 1894 edition has 6 different "Tayyibeh"s in the index and it isn't clear that any of them is this one. Zerotalk 23:10, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • vol 1, 1822: 114 139
    • vol 2, 1822: 114 139 :
      • Note: in the Bibliography, the ref is given as "Buckingham, J. S. (1821) Travels in Palestine, 2 vols, Longmans, London" But: I can only find a one-vol. 1821-edtition. It looks as if the 2-vol-edition first came in 1822. And I cannot find anything relevant in any version. Nor is it mentioned in the index.
  • Clermont-Ganneau, ARP, II, 280, 293, 295-298, 490 --> Taybeh, West Bank, except p.490, which is nothing; only listed in "general index"(!)
  • Cohen 1965, 11 ---> ???
  • Orni in EJ, XV, 874 --> ???
  • Guérin Samarie, I 206-207 --> Taybeh, West Bank
    • II p. 352 ---> OK!!
    • It looks as if the refs were taken from the index, p. 435
  • HG, 157, 160 ---> two Muslim villages, not yet identified (?) This should be p.141. Taybeh, West Bank, is p. 116. Taibe, Galilee, is 157
A Tayyibe appears on each of those pages, but this one is on p141 (but pls see the question on my talk page so we can be sure). Zerotalk 23:26, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ibn al-Furat ed Lyons and Lyons, I, 101; II, 80; (1971): Ayyubids, Mamluks and Crusaders: Selections from the Tarikh al-duwal wa-l-muluk of Ibn al-Furat. ---> ???
  • McCown 1923, 66, Pl.22 McCown, C. (1923) Muslim Shrines in Palestine. AASOR (=Annual of the American Schools of Oriental Research), 2-3, pp 47-79 ---> looks like Taybeh, West Bank,
  • MPF, 27 No.19, 44 No.62; =MPF: Ipsirli and al-Tamimi (1982): The Muslim Pious Foundations and Real Estates in Palestine. Gazza, Al-Quds al-Sharif, Nablus and Ajlun Districts according to 16th-Century Ottoman Tahrir Registers, Organisation of Islamic Conference, Istanbul 1402/1982 --> ??
  • Palmer 1881, 193 ---> OK
  • SWP, II, 166 (map XI) ---> OK

notable residents[edit]

wow - zero says that this is not about this article and huldra says that it is not notable because the city has been around for centuries. huh? a terrorist bomber is quite notable, hardly a mundane affair. why are you trying to hide it? i agree that it doesn't have to be in the history section, but it is certainly part of those notable residents (all of whom are just since the 1948 creation of the state of israel....). so, barring any real reasons for not including this, we will include it:

There is only an incidental connection between the bus bombing and the town. It is not a notable feature of the town. So it doesn't belong. Zerotalk 09:28, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
is there only an 'incidental connection' between ahmed tibi and the town?
I don't much like these "famous residents" sections. But Tibi is a famous person, even outside Israel. Not remotely like someone whose name you didn't even know. Zerotalk 11:20, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Israel arrests Hamas, Islamic Jihad cell behind Tel Aviv bus bomb
  2. ^ Shin Bet arrests Tel Aviv bus bombing suspects
  3. ^ http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=293187

Geographical position[edit]

The first sentence says it is east of Kfar Saba. When I look at the map I see that it is no way to the east, more like the north.

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