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non-EC editor creating ARBPIA articles

Hi, on Jan 29 you delivered the ECR/ARBPIA alert to GvTara, and two days later you explained it further. On April 4, GvTara created Gan Yavne stabbing attack in violation of ECR and on April 7 made a large edit to another article on an obviously ARBPIA topic. We can take care of ordinary disallowed edits without administrator assistance, but it is unclear (and would perhaps be unwise) if I can use my administrative powers to delete the new article (since I edit in the ARBPIA area). So I ask you to please consider deleting it. This article is about one of a large number of similar events which has no notability of its own. Sufficient coverage of the incident was already added to another article. Thanks. Zero^talk 06:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I have a similar question to Zero0000's regarding an article that has been created by a non-EC editor. Your advice on how to proceed when a very important part of a created article (the Armenian Genocide in this instance) falls under WP:ARBAA2 would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. M.Bitton (talk)

I'm less familiar with ARBAA2, but I assume you're taking about the Armenian genocide mention in that article? I personally wouldn't csd it, as the majority of the article doesn't appear to be an ECR violation. I suggest if any contentious editing by non-ec editors is taking place that you bring it to WP:RFPP. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. M.Bitton (talk) 00:35, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Curiously, the page currently shows two maps (the source can be consulted online)

This is the original map which can be consulted at the bottom of the article in the "Maps" section: [[1]]. A user reversed the previous comments again. 151.47.213.4 (talk) 14:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:B127:F03:FBCD:A868:5F00:2539:3CEB (talk) 14:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

The interesting thing is that the sources and also the other Wikipedia pages with many sources declared that the Kingdom of Sicily was part of the Empire at that time but some registered users engaged in very questionable behavior.--2A02:B127:F03:FBCD:A868:5F00:2539:3CEB (talk) 14:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Request for administrative action to be taken

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I believe this to be a 2in1 violation of Wikipedia:Assume good faith and Wikipedia:Civility, would you be so kind to take a look? FortunateSons (talk) 14:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey, Selfstudier, knock this off. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you :) FortunateSons (talk) 17:01, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

April music

story · music · places

plum tree blossom for Kalevi Kiviniemi in the snow - see my talk -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

See? I was right all along when I misread your username as ScottishFinnishRadio. I still think of you as that. Meters (talk) 21:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

but radishes are sharper --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

My story today is about a piece composed for the Second Sunday after Easter 300 years ago, and I just returned from a (long) opera about the same age, with soprano Pretty Yende --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

back to Copland, a little bit of background:

The list of Copland's compositions was removed within "ce", 3 Dec 2023. I discovered it by chance when the TFA appearance of Appalachian Spring on 6 April was near, and I restored the works, 2 April, based on my understanding of Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#MOS:FORCELINK (which came from Vivaldi - same players - so you may want to study there). It was reverted, 3 Apr. I began a discussion on the article talk and alerted the author of Appalachian Spring to watch. What could I have said without you thinking "canvassing"? - How about you telling the reverter that any change to an infobox should say "infobox" (or at least "ibox") in the edit summary, at least as long as infoboxes are regarded as contentious (which I hope will end some day)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

(patiently waiting for answers to two questions) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay, I must have missed this among all my other notifications.

I'm not going to tell anyone reverting an infobox change that they must say "infobox" in their edit summary. This is far beyond the scope of CTOP, and isn't really an issue that needs solving. As for the canvassing, you did not make a neutral notification, and based on your past infobox discussions with MyCatIsAChonk you shouldn't have been reaching out to them as a neutral party. Even with a neutral notification that would have been canvassing. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:42, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

I am sorry, it must be my lack of language. An alert = a note to please watch: no discussion was intended. The removal of the list of a composer's works was not an "infobox discussion". What in my notification was not neutral, - "rubbing eyes" perhaps? I have no words, really, for how absurd I find it to disconnect a composer from their works, which has nothing to do with infoboxes, - I would find it absurd in prose as well. MyCatIsAChonk and agree with what Voceditenore said in the discussion for Mozart (and the community seems also to agree): "Infoboxes are an integral part of editing and more importantly of the reader experience. They allow us to cater both to the reader who is looking only for the basic facts concerning the person quickly and easily presented and to those who want a lengthy and more detailed artcle. ..." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Your argument that a discussion about what to include in an infobox is not an infobox discussion is not convincing. Any discussion about a part of an infobox, how to implement an infobox, or anything else about an infobox is an infobox discussion. That you support your argument by linking to another discussion about an infobox further demonstrates that this comes down to a discussion about an infobox. Additionally, asking someone to watch a discussion is still notifying them of the discussion, which is what WP:CANVAS covers. That you expressed displeasure with the discussion, e.g. rubbing eyes is certainly not a neutral notification. Your notification to Barkeep was also not neutral, as you expressed your opinion on it and followed up with The question is: does the list of compositions belong in the composer's infobox, and I rub my eyes how that can even be a question. What else could be more worthwhile to show?.

If you believe my logged warning was incorrect and wish to appeal you can do so at WP:AE or WP:AN. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:52, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

I linked to the Mozart RfC of 2023, because for me, that changed the scene for infoboxes: once regarded as an invasion by a few who where called infobox-warriors, they came to be respected as what readers expect. I had hoped that the RfC ended discussions, and while that is true for the majority of articles I read and write (even of classical composers), in a few cases obviously not.

As I wrote in my reply on my talk, I encountered AE: I won't report a colleague, and I won't appeal. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

relief: the last of six RD articles in one week is now on the Main page - yesterday I went to a great recital with many anti-war songs by Jewish composers whose music was banned by the Nazis. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

... followed by two birthdays in a row, and I prefer those (see my talk) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

now images of a flock of sheep that I met by chance on the 300th birthday of cantata Du Hirte Israel, höre, BWV 104 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Theoracle1233

Special:Contributions/Theoracle1233 isn't looking great... e.g.[3] Sean.hoyland (talk) 16:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Taken care of. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Addressing 'user conduct' in RSN discussions

Is the point Iskandar raises here correct, that it doesn't fall afoul of WP:NPA to chastiise "user conduct" in an RSN discussion if it doesn't chastise "the person"? So as not to be coy, I would suggest that that kind of personal comment is WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior that we don't need on RSN. Coretheapple (talk) 16:37, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

It's not a personal attack, but it is mild incivility. There's not a lot I can do unless I can find the time to review that entire mess at RSN. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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I replied you on my talk page

@ScottishFinnishRadish There was concern which you raised on my talk page. Kindly be informed that I have replied and I treat this with every seriousness. Please, do clarify me on time before I move on with edits on Arab-Israel related topics. Caleb Ndu (talk) 16:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

SFR replied on your talk page @Caleb Ndu. Please do not edit in the topic area until you meet the requirements outlined in the welcome message. Philipnelson99 (talk) 16:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok. That's noted @Philipnelson99 Caleb Ndu (talk) 17:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Notice of WP:ARCA request

You are involved in a recently filed request for clarification or amendment from the Arbitration Committee. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#Amendment request: Skepticism and coordinated editing and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the Wikipedia:Arbitration guide may be of use.

Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

User talk:83.30.172.40

Hi ScottishFinnishRadish, Good day. the editor you just blocked reverted the warning and blocked messages and- stated "CUM shot" on his edit summary - see [ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:83.30.172.40&diff=next&oldid=1219554601 HERE]. Maybe blocking them to write on their talk page is needed? Cassiopeia talk 13:33, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

At this point they've probably moved on to a different IP. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Good work, painting with oils. ——Serial Number 54129 12:58, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, although I don't understand the painting with oils reference. I hope it has to do with Bob Ross. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Ah. Yeah, Bob Ross was cool. Taught Oshwah's barber everything he knows  :) ——Serial Number 54129 13:31, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Check

Since you're admin I'd be happy you look at Noor TV (US) which I've nominated for speedy deletion. Mobilustener (talk) 13:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	For administrating the high-heat topic areas and dramaboards no one else wants to, and making the hard sanctions that occasionally comes with it. Snowmanonahoe (talk · contribs · typos) 18:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

That mess at/around I/P might get worse in the long run, as it was posted on a major subreddit

@ScottishFinnishRadish, this is more rude (and partially wrong, to add insult to injury) than something acute like doxxing, but there is a somewhat prominent post on a major subreddit directly linking to edits and users in the I/P area, and making disparaging statement (and also partially inaccurate ones) about pro-P users and their conduct.

It’s not possible to discern who, but it’s likely someone vaguely (but not truly, based on errors) familiar with our policies. I’m happy to link to it (or tag the affected editors), but I’m honestly unsure if that would be appropriate. What would you like me to do? FortunateSons (talk) 09:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Is it the destiny one? There's really not anything we can do. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:50, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, that one. That’s unfortunate, but glad you’re aware FortunateSons (talk) 09:54, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Welcome-arbpia

Template:Welcome-arbpia has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Awesome Aasim 16:11, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

What a relief

Thanks for blocking that IP, Scottish. I was already getting extremely fatigued trying to revert their vandalism edits, and you stepped into the rescue. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 13:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Glad to help. I dropped a short protection too, since another IP was at it yesterday. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, Spencer blocked that IP as well this morning. I was at a concert and I used whatever battery was remaining on my phone to revert it. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 13:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Assistance with new editor's sourcing problems

There's a new editor, Wish l, who is persisting in "citing" something to a Quora post from a self-proclaimed "Owner of Gift Street Shop at Gift Street Shop" for information about human biology, even after they've been told that that's not a reliable source several times. They have continued doing so after a final warning, have insisted that the sources are adequate and have asserted that they will do this as many times as necessary. Could you assist? I'm hoping that if someone with access to a block button explains to them that what they have been told is correct, they might actually listen. Egsan Bacon (talk) 22:09, 22 April 2024 (UTC)