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Aleph Institute

Would members like to create a page about the Aleph Institute N.E. Region. Current page is only regarding Florida branch. Helpfulguy101 17:34 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Ilhan_Omar#RFC has an RFC

Talk:Ilhan_Omar#RFC has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.

Shem HaMephorash has an RFC

Shem HaMephorash, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.

Morris Soller

Hello WPJ. I have created Morris Soller and have probable but not sufficient information. Because I have not done this before WPJ's input is welcome at Talk:Morris Soller. Thank you in advance. Invasive Spices (talk) 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Should a BLP describe keeping kosher and observing Shabbat as "traditions"?

Emily Austin (journalist) states that she "follows Jewish traditions such as keeping kosher and observing Shabbat". Is this the correct phrasing? Or perhaps something stronger like Jewish law, or even commandments? ☆ Bri (talk) 18:40, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Your wording sounds fine to me. Sdkb ^talk 20:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry @Sdkb: which one is right? ☆ Bri (talk) 22:43, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

"Jewish traditions" seems fine to me. But "Jewish law" would be too. Sdkb ^talk 23:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Reading the sources (I also added one to the page) I think "traditions" is right. She's never said that she follows anything systematically qua law, and she seems mostly to relate to the rituals. Quite normal for spiritual types without comprehensive religious education, which tends to push people into some sort of specific identity with regard to Jewish law. GordonGlottal (talk) 00:26, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Isaac

Isaac has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Spinixster (chat!) 10:01, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Page move on Jew's harp

The discussion is: Talk:Jew's harp#Requested move 19 March 2024. REDISCOVERBHARAT (talk) 16:56, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Discussing the Inactivity

I recently joined this project and noticed that it appears less active. The last new article was in 2021!

Could the inactivity stem from a lack of contributors with expertise in Judaic studies, or are there other factors at play? I am very interested in everything regarding Judaism and eager to discuss what can be done to reinvigorate the project. Progoees (talk) 11:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

I've noticed other wikiprojects I follow the talk pages of have also had a decline in activity during this time. I'm not sure if it's specific to this one. Working together is good but I'd say it shouldn't just be reinvigorated for its own sake but for the purposes of getting informed comment on issues you're encountering in articles. Dan Carkner (talk) 14:32, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

It seems that the most active editors do not view wikiprojsects as beneficial to their editing tasks. It would be helpful if leaders stepped up and engaged more consistently with team members, otherwise being a member of a wiki project doesn't seem very necessary. Mistamystery (talk) 17:53, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Religions of various Jewish communities

Hi WP Judaism! There is an editor who has made several edits to pages such as Yemenite Jews, History of the Jews in Afghanistan, History of the Jews in Egypt, and Bene Israel stating that the "religion" of these groups are Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, and/or Buddhism, and when I asked for a source about Islam being the religion of Yemenite Jews, they shared this link, which includes a mention of a 1922 law forcing the conversion of Islam to all Yemeni Jewish orphans under the age of 12. I do not think this is a valid statement or a valid reference to support this claim of the religion of Yemenite Jews being both Judaism and Islam but I am interested in how project members view this and if this is a subject that has previously been discussed. Would appreciate any feedback on this so I'm not caught up in a vicious revert cycle. Thank you! Kazamzam (talk) 21:59, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

The reason why I added other religions because do know there are people who are Jewish converts to different religions. We have seen this through European Jews. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 22:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@SpinnerLaserzthe2nd - what do you mean by this? what is the citation for this claim? Kazamzam (talk) 22:05, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

List of converts to Christianity from Judaism (most of them were European Jewish descent) and one source of the Jewish Virtual Library does mention that earlier Yemeni Jews had converted to Islam (https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/yemen-2). SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 22:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

These articles are not talking about individual people who convert from Judaism to another religion, it is talking about the community as a whole. The claim "We have seen this through European (I assume you mean Ashkenazi because you edited that page as well) Jews" does not make sense. No one would say that the religion of Hindus or of Parsis is Islam because some Hindus and Parsis have converted to Islam. Many of these conversions also happened involuntarily and as a result of immense government-sponsored or -sanctioned antisemitic laws and/or pogroms, i.e. the Spanish inquisition, so the claim that the religion of [X] group of Jews is Islam or Christianity is quite tasteless. Kazamzam (talk) 22:10, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Are you saying that my edits are antisemitic? Not all Jews follow Judaism (yes, I am aware that most Jews follow Judaism) but they still identify as Jewish and I tried to find a good source that states that Jews also followed other religions. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 22:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

It sounds like you have a thing you want to say ("Jews don't have to be Jewish") and are looking for backing for it, rather than trying to derive your edits from reliable sources. Like Kazamzam said, individuals converting (or being forcibly converted!) does not support a change to the description of the page for a Jewish community, any more than you would make this change for any other religious community's page. 96.238.30.75 (talk) 23:06, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree. It seems contrived to try and build this into article about Jewish communities in a widespread manner. If it's relevant in a specific biography or if conversion is an important in the history of a particular community it be appropriately sourced and cited. Dan Carkner (talk) 00:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

This is great topic, if handled properly. There are Jewish converts to other religions, of course, and plenty of ink spilt on their status in Jewish law and Jewish communities. This hardly merits a sentence in articles on Jewish communities, but there are existing articles to improve, such as:

Template:Lists of converts, including list of converts from Judaism

Conversions of Jews to Christianity

Islamic–Jewish relations#Conversion of Jews to Islam

ProfGray (talk) 01:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Request for comment at Reliable Sources Noticeboard RFC: The Anti-Defamation League

There is a request for comment at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RFC:_The_Anti-Defamation_League that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Mistamystery (talk) 23:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)