Talk:Central America under Mexican rule/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: MX (talk · contribs) 18:11, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Part 1 Review

Hello. I'll be reviewing this article and be posting my findings here. First part will be a copyedit/content review. The second part will include source verification. Stay tuned. MX (✉ • ✎) 18:11, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

General comments, Part 1: Great read. The article is comprehensive and includes detailed information about the rule and events. I made several copyedits myself so please revisit them and let me know if you have any questions/comments. There are some instances where WP:REDLINK is applicable; this is a good practice on Wikipedia that encourages others to create articles on subjects that do not exist yet.

@MX: Thanks for the feedback! I hope I addressed all your points below. PizzaKing13 ^¡Hablame! 04:09, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Part 2 of the review coming up. MX (✉ • ✎) 22:55, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Independence of New Spain

• Iturbide invited Ferdinand VII, any member of his immediate family, or any other Spanish Bourbon prince to rule as the Mexican emperor.[12] — Could we consider writing as "Emperor of Mexico" as opposed to "Mexican emperor"? I saw that this was consistent of Agustin's article and the title of the article hyperlinked too.
  • Done Y

• launched attempted rebellions in 1811 and 1814 (es) to gain independence — Could we redlink 1814 per WP:REDLINK?
  • Done Y

• The Spanish provincial governors of Central America at the time of independence were: Juan Manuel de Cañas y Trujillo (es) (Costa Rica),[24] Pedro Barriere (El Salvador),[25] Gabino Gaínza y Fernández de Medrano (Guatemala),[19] José Gregorio Tinoco de Contreras (de) (Honduras),[26] Miguel González Saravia y Colarte (es) (Nicaragua).[25] — Same goes here for those with the Spanish-language articles that do not have one in English.
  • Done Y

Central American infighting over annexation

• and the Aycinena clan (es) of Guatemala. — Please redlink
  • Done Y

• Meanwhile, Costa Ricans were initially opposed from independence from Spain, and at the time, there was no definitive consensus as to whether Costa Rica favored or opposed annexation — Need further clarification here. Consider writing as "Meanwhile, Costa Ricans were initially opposed to independence from Spain; at that time, there was no definitive consensus as to whether Costa favored or opposed annexation.
  • Changed Y

• Each singular vote represents the decision of an entire municipality's population, not the vote of single individuals. — Is this claim supported by the sources in the infobox (#43 and 44)? Just want to make sure. All other footnotes have references so I would advise you add one too for this claim to follow the format.
  • Yes, it is. Added. Y

Annexation and subsequent separatist conflicts

• Chilean Sergeant Nicolás de Abós y Padilla (es). — Please redlink
  • Done. Y

• Manuel Arzú (es) on 19 March 1822, — Please redlink
  • Done. Y

• Juan Francisco Sosa from El Salvador, and Colonel Felipe Codallos and Lieutenant Colonel José Luis González Ojeda from Guatemala — I know we don't have their articles in Spanish, but based on your research, do you think Sosa and Glz Ojeda could eventually have their own articles? If so, please redlink.
  • Sosa held the position of Secretary Deputy in the Central American assembly, but I can't find any other mention of him anywhere in my research so I think it's unlikely. Meanwhile González Ojeda is mentioned only one time in both sources and it's for this occasion, so I think this one is even less likely.

• formulation of the new Mexican constitution — Hyperlink with Constitution of Mexico if applicable
  • That page is for the 1917 constitution only. This constitution for 1822/23 was never drafted, and I don't think there is enough information on it to warrant having a page on Wikipedia.

• The Electoral Junta was succeeded by the Superior Gubernatorial Junta (es) on 13 January 1822, and its president, Rafael Barroeta y Castilla (es), began preparations to hold elections which would determine Costa Rica's representatives in the Mexican Constituent Congress (es). The election was held on 31 January 1822 — Please redlink all mentions were applicable
  • Done Y

• in the Battle of Ochomogo. — Question here. The link sends to "Ochomogo War", not Battle of Ochomogo. Was there a Battle with the same name as the civil war?
  • As far as I am aware, the Ochomogo War is the Battle of Ochomogo. My sources all prefer "Battle of Ochomogo" so I list it as that.

• led by Manuel Alvarado e Hidalgo (es) on 10 May 1823, which remained in power until September 1824 — Same here, redlink
  • Done Y

• On 23 February 1823, Miguel González Saravia y Colarte (es), — Same here
  • Done Y

• González Saravia stepped down as the governor of Nicaragua and was replaced by José Carmen Salazar — Question here. Do you think it would make sense to redlink "Governor of Nicaragua"? This position no longer exists of course, but I'm wondering if it is something we could expand with further research. Same question applies to Salazar if you think enough material exists. Consider redlinking if applicable to both.
  • The article for President of Nicaragua already has content for the Governor of Nicaragua, only that it doesn't cover the period for 1821–1825 since I guess no one has gotten around to it. I linked it there. I also linked José Carmen Salazar. Y

• resulting in Ordóñez overthrowing the government of Pablo Méndez in August 1824 — Same here, consider redlinking Pablo Méndez.
  • Done. Y

Independence from Mexico

• Would you say we have to capitalize the words Congress and President for all mentions here?
  • I can't remember where I saw or who told me, but the mention of "president" should be lowercase since it's not attached to a name (ie: President José Matías Delgado, compared to José Matías Delgado, the president). Similarly, congress isn't the official name of the Central American congress, which it didn't really have an official name. The sources just say "Central American congress" or "congress" or "congress of Central America" so I left it lowercase. PizzaKing13 ^¡Hablame! 04:07, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Government

All good here.

Economy

All good here.

Part 2 Review

Pinging PizzaKing13 for visibility on my last part of the review. Nice job! MX (✉ • ✎) 05:10, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Lead

• The incorporation of Central America brought Mexico to the height of its territorial extent.[1] — Is there a chance to include this fact in the body paragraphs, that way we can remove the source for this specific claim from the lead per MOS:CITELEAD? This is a suggestion but would elevate the article as it is common practice at GA and FA.
  • Moved to the second to last paragraph of the "Central American infighting over annexation" section.

• Not all of Central America chose to become independent, however, as the region of Chiapas remained a part of Mexico and is now one of the country's 31 states. In recent times, the far-right Nationalist Front of Mexico (FNM) has called for the reincorporation of Central America to Mexico.[5] — Same here, if possible. In addition, "in recent times" should be avoided per MOS:CURRENT. Please rephrase to the appropriate time terms.
  • I can't really move it out to anywhere which makes sense. I've searched hard to find anywhere where someone has called for Central America's annexation after 1823, but I found nothing, only the FNM. I changed the sentence to "In its "25-Point Program", the far-right Nationalist Front of Mexico (FNM) has called for the reincorporation of Central America to Mexico."

Sources, closing comments

• I checked all the references and made sure they take readers to the appropriate sources. All checks out.

• I checked a few sources for appropriate attribution and all checks out.

• All of the sources are reliable; some require print/offline access. Nothing controversial was found that made me request a direct quote.

• Article is well written; should nominator want to promote it to FA status, I recommend a copyedit request at GOCE.

@MX: Thanks for reviewing this article! I've responded to your last 2 comments. PizzaKing13 ^¡Hablame! 05:39, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

GA assessment

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Comments/questions have been addressed. Article passes! MX (✉ • ✎) 06:15, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

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