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DYK nomination[edit]

{{Did you know nominations/Deus Ex: Mankind Divided}} czar ⨹ 15:39, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Open World[edit]

I think this is probably gonna be hub based like HR was, but does anyone have any info that can confirm that?Dohvahkiin (talk) 12:38, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Feminist Frequency[edit]

Some user keeps views of Feminist Frequency claiming is not reliable. However as per WP:SPS it is. Their views and views of their employees have been published by reliable source and Carolyn Petit who reviewed Deus Ex for the website is an ex-reviewer for Gamespot. I don't understand how he keeps claiming it is not reliable. 59.96.132.74 (talk) 21:51, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Even if it is reliable, and its not because its entirely agenda driven, what is it saying that needs to be in the article? If it's this edit, "Carolyn Petit writing for Feminist Frequency termed the alleged appropriation of the movement as "outrageous"." Who cares? Who is she, and why is her saying "outrageous" notable enough or informative enough to be in the article? What does it add? If you can't answer that, it doesn't need to be in the article. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 21:59, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Darkwarriorblake Maybe you didn't read my comment. Carolyn Petit is an ex-video game reviewer of Gamespot, she also reviewed GTA V for Gamespot as a famous example. And their opinion is notable beacuse the author is notable and the website Feminist Frequency is reputed for talking about these kind of social issues and the article needs opinion of more than just one video game industry figure to understand why the particular aspect was controversial.

Besides how do you claim it is agenda driven? Just because it highlights social issues like woman represenation, racism etc. in video games? Feminist Frequency and its author especially Aneeta Sarkeesian have been highlighted by various reliable sources IGN, Gamespot etc. You can search it for yourself. Based on your assertion anyone who highlights any problem of social issues is entirely agenda driven. Also even if your point is taken, Feminist Frequency can still be used per WP:BIASED which clearly states:

"Wikipedia articles are required to present a neutral point of view. However, reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective. Sometimes non-neutral sources are the best possible sources for supporting information about the different viewpoints held on a subject."

Clearly by all means Feminist Frequency and its article written by a well-known video game reviewer that I sourced are completely reliable. 59.96.132.74 (talk) 00:58, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Besides how do you claim it is agenda driven? Just because it highlights social issues like woman represenation, racism etc. in video games?" Um, yes. According to its website, "Feminist Frequency is a not-for-profit educational organization that analyzes modern media’s relationship to societal issues such as gender, race, and sexuality.... We strongly advocate for the just treatment of all people online and believe that media is an essential tool for eradicating injustice." At face value this appears to be a noble goal. However this agenda does not fit well with Wikipedia's aim in an article about a video game.

The guideline that you quote also includes the statement: "Although a source may be biased, it may be reliable in the specific context." In my opinion, Feminist Frequency is not a reliable source in this context. (The website might be a reliable source for the article "Sexism in video gaming".)

"Feminist Frequency and its author especially Aneeta Sarkeesian have been highlighted by various reliable sources IGN, Gamespot etc." That's certainly true! The Gamergate controversy was huge. It is also irrelevant to this article. Axl ¤ [Talk] 11:19, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Axl So just because someone wants just treatment, they are agenda driven? Based on that everyone who advocates and talks about these issues is agenda driven. Besides where exactly does it state "agenda driven" websites are not reliable sources. They are allowd to be used. If you didn't notice already it was being used as a source for an issue related to racism. And especially in this context of its own opinion of the game, it is very reliable. Its being used to source its own opinion. That is allowed under rules. Also I said "views" of Feminist Frequency and its authors have been covered by reliable sources, I meant actual views about social issues not Gamergate or just Gamergate. Their views have been published and disseminated beyond the scope of Gamergate. Opinion of someone who have been notable for rasing issues as such racism should certainly be taken into account. Besides you yourself pointed out it says that it talks about race in video games as well. You've brought no rational reason that justifies it is not rational as per rules. What is reliable is decided only per Wikipedia's rules and Feminist Frequency is reliable in this context as per rules. 59.96.132.96 (talk) 12:30, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You're missing the point, what about the information you wish to add, that this person considered the situation "outrageous", makes it belong in the article or improves the article or the understanding of the situation? It's nobody saying nothing. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 16:53, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Darkwarriorblake Actually they called it more than just "outrageous". I posted outrageous only to keep it small, there needs to be views of more than just 1 video game industry figure. If you have a problem with it being too small or just containing 1 word from the author we can expand it.

"According to whom" template[edit]

Dissident93, I see that you added this "According to whom" template. Have you read the template page? Axl ¤ [Talk] 13:04, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I was in a rush and didn't have to time to check who actually stated it, but now I did and it's properly written now. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:30, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wesley Yin-Poole's criticism was relatively mild. Rather, he was reporting the widespread criticism from players. I have changed the text back. Axl ¤ [Talk] 09:46, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Official site for Linux/Mac versions[edit]

Hello, as there is already a link to the official site for this game, could someone please add a link to the official site for the Linux and Mac versions: http://www.feralinteractive.com/en/linux-games/deusexmd/ Full disclosure: I work for Feral Interactive and my edits and suggestions are intended to update information and ensure factual correctness. Rr feral (talk) 11:36, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DirectX 12 performance[edit]

The article claims

Nixxes and AMD enabled the game to perform smoothly on DirectX 12 systems

But from personal experience and looking through support forums on the web (like steamcommunity), this isn't true, not even on AMD hardware. To get the best performance and least stuttering, people stay with DirectX 11. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.122.0.130 (talk) 12:48, 23 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting Breach to its own subsection[edit]

Right now, information about Deus Ex: Breach is scattered throughout the article. Perhaps it would be appropriate to create its own subsection. Merko (talk) 01:09, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]