Talk:List of Major League Baseball no-hitters

formatting

Should the abbreviation formatting for 'interleague' be consistent with that for the other leagues? I see where you're coming from, making it consistent with NL, AL, etc., but I think interleague is different than the other leagues, and should probably be i.l. or il, because IL would seem appropiate for, for instance, a league such as International League. 65.32.209.199 05:07, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Phillies' Name

Although several news paper writers lobbied to have the Phillies' name changed to both the Quakers and the Live Wires, these never took and were never official names for the team. They have always been the Phillies. ~CharlieFandango

Anibal Sanchez no-hitter

Anibal Sanchez is now the latest no-hitter from the Miami, Florida Marlins of the National League (1st rookie since Bud Smith of 2001) against the Arizona Diamondbacks (last team with a no-hitter and perfect game). DaDoc540 01:22, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Formatting

Why does the NL get a nice chart and the AL gets crap? Someone needs to reformat this page, please.Amber388 16:20, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

The NL table was created by Gephart on September 8. MisfitToys 19:06, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I created an AL tabled version here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Major_League_Baseball_no-hitters&oldid=66272924 but I didn't like exactly how it looked, so I removed it. I think there is something "neat" and "simple" about having the list as a bulletted list, as opposed to a table. You could revert back to that if you want though. X96lee15 19:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Sources

Where are we getting some of this info? I posted two sources to the page but I am wondering where some of the detail comes from. We have Silver King listed as pitching an eight-inning no-hitter in 1890, but of the two sources I referenced, Retrosheet has no note saying he didn't pitch nine innings and the ESPN list omits Silver King entirely while inculding other less-than-nine-inning games. What gives? Vidor 17:41, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Interleague

I changed it so that all the interleague no-hitters appear on the AL and NL lists as well as the Interleague list. Looks better than a note that says "See Interleague", and it makes it alot easier for someone to make a quick reference than having to play connect-the-dots between multiple lists. (Note: I forgot to log in before making the changes so my alterations dont appear under my account name, whoops!)

Link Error

The "Mark Williamson" in record #223 is a link to a very different "Mark H. Williamson, OBE" -- not the baseball player.

With regard to the Phillies, baseball-reference.com (which is highly reliable) lists the franchise as competing as the Quakers from 1883-1889, and as the Blue Jays from 1943-1944.

DMTate 16:21, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Coloration

Do You believe that we should color code the perfect games with another color, like red for perfect games, blue for no hitters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metsman (talk • contribs) 15:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

New data column in table

The chart should have a column that shows the park/stadium the game was played in. Another chart showing total number of no-hitters in each park and by team. Also number of no-hitters for and against by team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 56.0.143.25 (talk) 08:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd recommend adding the new column between Date and Pitcher. MisfitToys (talk) 01:35, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Angels-Dodgers game 6/28/2008

Over the past 24 hours, numerous attempts have been made to put this game into the Official List of MLB no-hitters as entry #257. This game was not an official no-hitter (per MLB's revised 1991 rules) and should be listed in the "Shortened games" section below the table. Whether it's listed as an "American League" game (since the Angels, the team throwing the no-hitter, are an AL team) or placed in a new "Interleague Play" section seems debatable (since this is the first "near-miss" no-hitter in an interleague game). But, it seems that under no circumstances should the game be listed as a "National League game." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.201.150 (talk) 20:50, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Notes column

For the "official" no-hitters table, the new Notes column is a useful place to put unusual aspects of a no-hitter. Some examples:

• Two no-hitters on the same day
• No-hitters by the same pitcher in back-to-back starts
• Two no-hitters between the same two teams in consecutive games
• A no-hitter by a pitcher in his first or second career game
• A no-hitter by a pitcher in his first or second career start (whether or not it's his first or second career game)
• Details of a post-season no-hitter
• A no-hitter on opening day
• A no-hitter on a team's final day of play or in their final game of the season
• A no-hitter that clinches (or clinches a tie for) a division title, wild-card spot, playoff berth or (pre-1969) league pennant
• A game that remains a no-hitter thru extra innings
• An official no-hitter that results in a loss (under new MLB rules, must be a 9-inning home loss or a loss in extra innings)

UNC Sports (talk) 21:04, 29 June 2008 (UTC) --—Borgarde^talk 03:34, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

5 No Hitters not listed

Retrosheet and Baseballlibrary list 1 National Association and 5 Federal League No Hitters, 5 more than in the list. Why? The NA is not always considered a major league, that can be a reason for this one, but what about the FL No Hitters? --217.93.232.216 (talk) 18:01, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• I added the NA no-hitter (a little hesitantly because I don't know how to treat the NA's status as a major league), I wasn't aware of the four Federal League no-no's missing from the page until I looked at the Retrosheet link further. I've noticed that the online Sporting News record book doesn't include any of the Federal League no-hitters, not even the one listed on Wikipedia. I'm willing to add them assuming that my addition of Borden's NA no-hitter was acceptable. -- Transaspie (talk) 03:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

According to many things I've read, the NA is not currently considered a Major League, even though it was the highest level of professional baseball in the country, but historians have problems with the reliability of the games, as gambling was very much entrenched in the game. But the FL has been treated as a Major League since its existence. I would include those no-hitters, and technically speaking, the Borden no-hitter would not be considered a "Major League" no-hitter, but personally, I think it should stay on the list because as time goes by, people consider it a Major League when they reference it.Neonblak (talk) 09:04, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

It's reasonable to list the Borden no-hitter, as the NA was the top professional league (albeit pretty much the only one). The Sporting News record book does list other Fed accomplishments. The Elias book does not list any Fed no-hitters either. What are the circumstances of the Fed no-hitters that you're talking about? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 03:25, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Although Retrosheet lists several FL no-hitters [1] there are no corresponding box scores. I find it hard to believe that the record keepers would have missed those no-hitters. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 03:46, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Jason Varitek

Is it worth mentioning that Jason Varitek has caught more no hitters than any other catcher in baseball history? I mean, at the very least I think we should include who caught the game in one of the columns. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CptBuck (talk • contribs) 03:08, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

What's your source for that interesting tidbit? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 03:17, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

As of August 12, 2018, Carlos Ruiz has tied Varitek with 4 no-nos caught, including a perfect game by Roy Halladay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:194:4100:117b:1462:6288:332f:6517 (talk) 19:13, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Formatting WTF

I've had it with this stupid table. All I did was add a note on Vida Blue's second no-hitter and the catchers in the new catchers column. I formatted it exactly the same way as I saw the combined Houston no-hitter formatted with the exception of a 4 instead of 6 in the rowspan entry, but in the preview it keeps coming out as a bunch of jumbled garbage. What the hell is wrong with this?:

|- |rowspan="4"|194||rowspan="4"|September 28, 1975||rowspan="4"|Vida Blue (2) (5 inn.)||rowspan="4"|Oakland Athletics||rowspan="4"|5||rowspan="4"|California Angels||rowspan="4"|0||rowspan="4"|AL||rowspan="4"|Gene Tenace, Ray Fosse||rowspan="4"|American League record for pitchers used in a no-hitter. Final day of the regular season |- |Glenn Abbott (1 inn.) |- |Paul Lindblad (1 inn.) |- |Rollie Fingers (2 inn.) |-

I've been screwing with it for the past 20 minutes but it's still screwed up. I'm really frustrated with it. Could somebody smarter than me fix this. -- HurricaneERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 19:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

• • I got it fixed shortly afterwards. (173.2.225.105 (talk) 23:05, 24 July 2009 (UTC))

Notes section

• Would anyone object to moving the notes section to a line under each no-hitter/perfect game that has a note? (173.2.225.105 (talk) 23:08, 24 July 2009 (UTC))

Table changes

• I'm fixing a formatting issue in the table (1917 Ruth/Shore) and removing the note hide/display boxes. I think they're unnecessary and at best they're inconsistent - there's usually not enough information to bother hiding it. I may make a later attempt at a sortable table, though multi-pitcher no hitters make this interesting. Alex (talk) 18:59, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• I'm going to use a sub table for multi-pitcher no-hitters, thus allowing the table to become sortable, without losing any information or formatting. This will require removing the year divisions, which I find arbitrary in the first place - they help the table of contents, but otherwise don't do a whole lot. Alex (talk) 19:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• It'd be nice to be able to tell which team was the home team 173.74.9.164 (talk) 06:38, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

265 or 266?

This page numbers MLB no-hitters at 265, while no-hitter says 266. Who's right? --Jesdisciple (talk) 00:01, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I just thought to check and 266 are actually listed on this page. Will change the figure accordingly. --Jesdisciple (talk) 00:06, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Gallaragga no-hitter?

Should it be listed here? I believe the bad call counted as a hit, not an error. Sure, I agree it was a bad call and should have been a perfect game, but I don't think it even counts as a no-hitter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RHolecko (talk • contribs) 10:59, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't it at least be a "near no-hitter?" --Civ2boss (talk) 14:55, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Armando Gallaraga's performance, while impressive, was not a no-hitter, and I don't think we need a "no-hitters that are unrecognized" category consisting merely of that. --Lkjhgfdsa (talk) 00:30, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Catchers

Is who caught a no-hitter really so important that we have a column for it? Especially with so many blank entries, I'm thinking it should be removed. This table is massive enough as it is. --Muboshgu (talk) 16:48, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

No responses.... I'm deleting the column when I have the time unless someone objects. --Muboshgu (talk) 23:55, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I just noticed this, I like the catcher column personally, and thought at one time adding the home plate umpire as well, but your right in that it doesn't really matter who the catcher or umpire was. I can live without it.Neonblak ^talk - 04:09, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I had second thoughts about removing it after seeing Roy Halladay's press conference today where he praised Ruiz. This table is really big though, and I think it should be reduced a bit in width somehow. --Muboshgu (talk) 04:13, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree, I would like to see photos down the right side like many lists. Maybe getting rid of one of the score columns would unscrunch it a bit.Neonblak ^talk - 04:19, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to have a more thorough discussion on this matter: should the catcher column remain? – Muboshgu (talk) 19:55, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Bill Stoneman no-hitters

the notes in this section contain several errors pertaining to Bill Stoneman's no-hitters. The notes for his 1969 no-hitter say it was pitched in Montreal. That is not correct; he pitched his first one in Philadelphia. He pitched the first no-hitter in Canada in 1972. --Lovemyexpos (talk) 22:01, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[[File:]]

The notes have to go

If this page is ever going to reach FL status, which should be our goal, a number of things need to change, including deleting the "notes" from the table. Anything that's really pertinent can stay on the page in prose, with a citation. However, lots of the "notes" items are inconsequential and trivial. If a note is notable to the player, it can go on the player's page. Notice how the notes exist mainly for the more recent no-hitters. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:02, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Separate Column to denote Perfect Games

Currently, one can't really isolate perfect games. It's just an italicized pitcher name. I tried to make an extra column for this so that one can sort the perfect games into a block, but that was reverted with the idea that it should be discussed. So here it is :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.131.228.56 (talk) 22:04, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Instead of having a separate column, I would prefer perfect games get their own colour to mark them out, maybe in the # and Date columns? We'd need to find a way to meet WP:ACCESS though. —Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 04:08, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree, a separate color would be good. As with the list of world series champions. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:28, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

It can't be a color on the name, because some of the perfect game pitchers are in the HoF, and already have a color. I guess the date might be the best way? I dunno, something about it doesn't seem right to me. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:17, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

why is a separate column a bad idea? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.131.228.56 (talk) 05:35, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Catchers

I finally completed the catchers, using mostly newspaper accounts. The rest came from a source that would probably be considered non-reliable, but is accurate in comparison with the newspaper box scores, and starting with 1916, with SABR through Retrosheet. When better resources become easily obtainable, they can replace this site. The new information here now contradicts team no-hitter pages, like the Cubs.Neonblak ^talk - 18:12, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Coloration of Astros 2003 joint no-hitter.

I was wondering what we should do about the coloration of the Astros 2013 joint no hitter. Should we make it blue and gray striped to denote active players (Dotel, Oswalt, technically Lidge) and gray to denote the retired players (Saarloos and Munro)? Should we make it a different color entirely? Should we add a note? Is there a way to make it so that only certain players are highlighted in a color to denote their active or retired status? MAINEiac4434 (talk) 05:02, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Untitled

There ARE links with the box scores in newspapers readily available online. Unfortunately, the lazy editor of this page operates much in the same fashion the folks at all the major statistical database sites do and REFUSES to provide those links, instead giving us bogus 1 paragraph story summary links with NO DATA!!!! Why not do the work and give us proper links???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.236.125.100 (talk) 10:12, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Empty space

When I scroll to the very bottom of the article, outside of article space there's a pretty large chunk of empty page space. Is anyone else getting this? I've never seen this before. Perhaps this is space allocated to pay respects for the unfortunate would-be no-hitters broken up with two outs in the 9th. Lizard (talk) 04:06, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

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Catcher records

Looking at the list, I've noticed two interesting facts about the catchers with multiple games caught: –There have been 11 pitcher-catcher pairs who have collaborated on more than one no-hitter; the 22 total games with this distinction include 3 perfect games. –Ron Hassey is the only catcher to catch TWO perfect games (Len Barker's in 1981, and Dennis Martinez' in 1991.) Perhaps these could be mentioned in the second paragraph at the top. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:194:4100:117b:1462:6288:332f:6517 (talk) 19:25, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Formating

You should change formating for the perfect game. Italic is kind of difficult to notice. It should be visually more distinctive . 213.149.62.165 (talk) 15:05, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Buerhle's perfect game

For Mark Buerhle's perfect game, in 2009, where he also eventually set the record for consecutive batters retired, it is not clear that it is a perfect game and in fact without knowing appears to be a no hitter only. As the text says (paraphrasing) "the same umpire was involved with both of Buerhle's no hitters"...a bigger question to be had is if there should be a marker on the table that distinguishes perfect games from no hitters Aglo123 (talk) 14:52, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Oops, scratch this. There already is an italics system. Please disregard! Aglo123 (talk) 14:53, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Televised games

A user is adding details of the televised broadcasts of games to the footnotes (see these edits). I see nothing remarkable about this as all MLB games are televised and have been for some time. I propose removing such footnotes unless there is something more notable than just "this game was broadcast on channel X". Even cutting away from another game doesn't seem particularly remarkable, indeed I would almost expect it for a no-hitter. --Jameboy (talk) 21:00, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

The distinction in these cases is that the games were nationally televised (as opposed to just in local markets), which is definitely more rare, although I'm unsure if it's rare enough to be noted. Sbb618 (talk) 23:46, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Single team no hitters?

Do we really need a subsection for each team's individual no hitter with a bunch of repetitive notes on "First and only". I think that's a given with only a single no hitter. Just have a single table.

No Hitter

Rafael Montero was also part of that World Series Game 4 no-hitter in 2022 209.122.216.158 (talk) 03:38, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Puerto Rico's "Perfect Game" (WBC)

As many are now aware, Puerto Rico combined for an eight inning perfect game in their 10-0 victory over Israel. Seeing how this game ended in a mercy rule and how this is an international competition, would it be appropriate to add the game under the "Shortened Games" paragraph in the "Near No-Hitter" section? I wanted to ask before I went ahead and tried to add it myself.

Dannyyankee12_{let's talk} 02:06, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

No Hitters and Perfect Games "lost" in extra innings

I have a question/comment about No Hitters and Perfect Games "lost" in extra innings. On the page it is listed as "Nine-inning no-hitters broken up in extra innings" and all the stating pitchers were on the mound when it was lost.

BUT.... If a pitcher has a No Hitter or Perfect Game after 9 full innings, and the game goes into extra innings.... and he is taken out of the game, does he get credit for the NoNo or Perfecto ?? If he does, then all those extra inning games should still count. Hrc4faz (talk) 08:54, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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