Talk:Pirates and Mayors

Green Party and the alliance

Bedivere.cs. I see its written on the page "The Pirates also offered the Green Party the possibility to join its electoral list". Could this be expanded on? Has the Green Party given any response? Did it say yes or no to joining the alliance or just not respond to the offer? Helper201 (talk) 15:34, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

• Helper201 It seems that Green Party will form centre-left alliance with ČSSD as they didn't agree with form of cooperation as the would only be a minor partner of the Pir-STAN alliance and wouldn't have equivalent position as two other parties. I will expand on it once I have time.

--Bedivere.cs (talk) 09:56, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Coalition color

@User:ThecentreCZ, cc: User:Vacant0 Dear ThecentreCZ, could you kindly present the Wikipedia rule or standard, which states that green must be used for this coalition? Please note that other Wikipedia articles in themselves do not constitute a rule that this article must follow, unless they have a factual basis for this (WP:VERIFY). For your information, because one article has a certain color scheme created by certain users doesn't mean that another article of someone's choice must also have the same scheme, when this scheme is completely informal. Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. --Concus Cretus (talk) 18:45, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

@Concus Cretus: It is rule of practice that should have follow the same, definitely not the gray unaffiliated colour. As I argued in the [noticeboard], you haven't reacted on any of my points, as we can see this issue is not point of realiable sourcing, but real practice of Wikipedia. There is not sources availailable for habits known against agressive users. --ThecentreCZ (talk) 13:57, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

What policy is your "real practice of Wikipedia" based on? Where is the color scheme norm that should be followed? After repeated requests, I still haven't been able to verify the color scheme that you claim to exist. If these are your points, present the Wikipedia rule that makes them valid. How are these points not just your WP:POV if you fail to show any grounding in any Wikipedia policy?.--Concus Cretus (talk) 14:05, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

@Concus Cretus: Real practice common habit of Wikipedians to treat in Wikipedia in logical sense. Colour scheme is obviously something you are not aware about. It exists in graphs and polls, like opinion polls for next election, lists and other. WP:POV is important, but it is not like that. What decides in this case is custom and concord of more users. There should be suggested to ask experinced users in this field, who solved it in the past as I know. We should notify user @Bedivere.cs: who introduced the differentiation by coulour on this page and in all the articles in his first edit. He must know that gray colour is normally used for unaffiliated groups here and answer why and how is he introduced it. I bet he have same logical explanation. Today it is used in many articles and lists on Wikipedia. As we have no sources for change, there is I think no reason to change the colour to any other. Gray of course not at all. --ThecentreCZ (talk) 14:50, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Again, where is this color scheme that you believe should be used? How can anyone follow a scheme if you refuse to present it?--Concus Cretus (talk) 14:54, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

@Concus Cretus: How can I present you something what is matter of practical use and not part of any official WP? It is just ordinary habit. You can't be familitar with it as you won't ask any other experienced user in this matter. I would like to add that gray colour is not possible to be used and if the official existed coalition won't add any proper materials and manuals as we know them from parties worldwide, hardly the colour problem can't be solved. It would surely be motivation for people involved inside political department of the political parties like for example former Neo-Nazi Mr. Jan Vrobel. Surely would be appreciated. But that is just post–scriptum appendix. We just need third-party view from experienced Wikipedian specialist-in-field. --ThecentreCZ (talk) 19:37, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Very well. It is clear now that you are attempting to enforce an informal habit of yours. WP:Wikipedia is not a reliable source makes it clear that the content of one article is not a basis for another article, therefore enforcing your habit doesn't have a basis on Wikipedia. On the contrary, colors should be used to represent the content of the specific article to make the it clear to the reader. As a result, here is no reason to use two similar tones when the article uses three colors in total.--Concus Cretus (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Besides, categorically I don't have a problem with using same colors in different articles as long as it doesn't interfere with readability of an article. I believe you can understand that two tones of green are misleading to the reader in this article. If you believe the colors should match in other articles as well, I am not against it. But readability of each article is the primary issue. So the colors can be adjusted (it doesnt't have to be grey), but two tones of green are not appropriate in this situation.--Concus Cretus (talk) 20:35, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

My recommendation is to choose a color from their official website or from this candidate list. Vacant0 (talk) 13:12, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Recent logo changes

It seems like that the coalition changed its logo, however, on their website the colored logo is still stated as their official logo. @Malumes: do you have more information about these changes?

Also what happened to the discussion about color changes @ThecentreCZ: and @Concus Cretus:? --Vacant0 (talk) 20:37, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

As a member of Mayors party I can confirm that this version is final and appeared just today on new official website of the coalition: https://www.piratiastarostove.cz/

The colored logo used on press conferences was only temporary. Malumes (talk) 20:50, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Alright thank you, should we change the coalition color to black then? I also want to hear opinions from ThecentreCZ and Concus Cretus about this color change. Vacant0 (talk) 20:58, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Based on the official logo, it seems the official color is black indeed.--Concus Cretus (talk) 14:54, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it will be same as CDU/CSU then. --ThecentreCZ (talk) 21:59, 6 May 2021 (UTC)