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Muhammad

Hi Al-Zaidi. Could you please give us your opinion re whether Muhammad established islam or not? There's a debate right here Talk:Muhammad. Cheers -- Szvest 17:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Indian Sub continent Zaidis

Hi Al-Zaidi. I would like to gain information of Zaidis present in Yemen. Can u please provide me some. Because me (also Zaidi) belongs to Indian Sub-Continent and our genealogical tree roots to Zaid ibn Imam Zainul Abedeen ibn Imam Husayn. Thanks Zaidi 15:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Some Zaidis are known as Wasitis. Zayd ibn Ali was martyred in Kufa, Iraq, many of his descendents either returned to al-Hijaz or remained in Iraq. Some of those who stayed in Iraq settled in Wasit. Some descendants from Wasit then moved to the Indian subcontinent. These Zaidis believe in twelve Imams and are part of the Shia Ithna Asharia. Most of them settled in India and Pakistan. The biggest group of Zaidis believing in twelve Shia Imams is known as Saadat-e-Bara. Saadat means descendant of the Prophet Muhammad and Bara means twelve in Hindi and Urdu. Saadat-e-Bara's numbers are highest in Karachi (Pakistan) and Muzaffarnagar (India).

NOTE* The Descendents of Zaid that stayed in Iraq and then moved to the subcontinent have the last name Zaidi. Zaid's descendent that returned to Al-Hijaz and then travelled to al-Asir and Sana'a have the last name Al-Zaidi. Basically Those who have the last name Zaidi are from the Subcontinent and those who have Al-Zaidi are Arab. Sub continent zaidis are not to be confused with the zaidis of Yemen. In Yemen there are two types of Zaidis: Al-Zaidis whom are descendents of Zaid ibn Ali and Zaidis, whom are followers of the Zaidi Fiqh

Al-Zaidi

Zaidis

Well that info relates with Indian Zaidis. What about Yemeni Zaidis? Regards,,

Do yemeni al-zaidis are fivers or twelvers. ?

One last question if u dont mind. what is the present status of Yemeni Zaidi. mean to say who is their (your) current imam. because we Indian Zaidis (including myself the 39 descendent of Zaid ibn Ali ibn Husayn) are twelver shia and our current imam is Al-Mehdi. Zaidi

Like i said there are two types of Zaidis in Yemen, Al-Zaidis whom are descendents of Zaid and Zaidis who are the followers of the Zaidi Fiqh Fivers. There are Al-Zaidis who are Fivers and those who are Twelvers. As for the Fivers, the Imamate is still open since the last Zaidi Imam of 1967 CE. Any Sayyid who is a jurist and is sane has all five senses and will fight against tyranny can be the imam. Al-Zaidi

Yemen population

Greetings Al-Zaidi,

on Yemen page, you wrote:
Yemenis are divided into two principal Islamic religious groups: 42-48% Shi'a and 49-55% Sunni. This is broken up as: 30-40% of the Zaidi order of Shi'a Islam, 8-15% of the Ja'fari and Isma'ili orders of Shi'a Islam, and 55% of the Shafi'i order of Sunni Islam.

However, you didn't mention your resources, so please write your references in the references section. I think the numbers you wrote are big ones, so I really want to know your resources.

With my best regards,
Aymx (Don't imitate, innovate)

"Religion: Sunni Muslim 55%, Shi'a Muslim 42%" Yemen Embassy in Canada [[1]]

Oman 60,000 2.2% Saudi Arabia 1,400,000 5.5% Yemen 15,000,000 73% Total 17,000,000 [[2]]

religious affiliation: Muslim 99,9% (of which Sha'fi-Sunnî 53%; Zaydi-Shî'î 47%) [[3]]

Al-Zaidi

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Assalaamu alaykum,

Just wanted to note that I've moved your discussion with 86.108.118.165 from Talk:Yemen to User talk:86.108.118.165. That way he will see a message informing him he has comments the next time he edits. For your information, if you see an unsigned comment on a talk page, use the page history to get their IP and the time of the edit, and add it after the comment using Template:unsigned2. That way you get a convenient link to their talk page for people to add comments.

Maas salaama, — Hex (❝?!❞) 10:00, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

The rafidi and nasibi articles

I just worked over the nasibi article -- it was completely garbled, probably by an anonymous editor I call the Angry Bahraini and AnonMoos calls the Iraqi Dinar Vandal. Any mention of the terms rafidi and nasibi seems to enrage him and he has been garbling both articles (as well as following me and AnonMoos around WP reverting anything we write). I stripped the article of anything save the fact that the term is a term of abuse. It would be nice to have a cite showing how it is used.

Now I have to go check the rafidi article. He probably got that one too. I think it's important to have the terms in WP, so that someone doesn't read them on a website and use them without knowing that they're offensive to some. (As I did.) Zora 19:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Human rights in Yemen

Salam,

We need your opinion here Talk:Human_rights_in_Yemen. Thank you Jidan 15:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

The Human Rights situation in Yemen is trivial because there was a media ban on the events that occurred in the Sa’dah governorate. The Human Rights issue in Yemen is not limited to one sect or creed. Women's rights as well as the rights of journalists have been an issue with the Yemeni government since even before the Sa’dah events. As for the situation between the Shi'i and Sunni in Yemen, it is varied across Yemen. Within the Sunni realm, there is an increase of people, mostly men, shifting from the Shafi'i school to the Salafi-Wahhabi version of Islam. It is also true that even some of the Zaidi youth have been known to shift to the Salafi-Wahhabi version of Islam. The reason for this shift is due to two reasons: in the former South Yemen, a Marxist regime took control, and religion was an element that was disallowed in a Communist state. Saudi Arabia funded a mass effort to maintain Islam in South Yemen. The version of Islam that was propagated was not Shafi'i but the Salafi-Wahhabi version of Islam. After Unification, there was no need to continue the mass effort in South Yemen. The resources were then shifted to the Northern tribal areas, where Zaidism was in the majority. Thus one of the largest and well funded Salafi-Wahhabi institutions, the Dar al-Hadeeth House Center, was built in Dammaj in the Sa‘dah governorate, the heartland of the Zaidis. It is obvious that tensions would arise in this type of situation. The problem today has several layers, the fall of Saddam's regime in Iraq, did cause an influx of Iraqi military personnel to obtain advisory positions in the Yemeni army. President Saleh and Saddam were good friends, hence President Saleh's support for Iraq in the 2nd Gulf War in 1991. This relationship allowed the Ba'thists to gain a larger base of operations in Yemen. They do have positions in the government just as the Salafi-Wahhabis and Zaidis. In Yemen the majority of Shi'is are Zaidi but there is a growing number of Ja'faris since the 1980s. The Ja'fari community in Yemen before the 1980s was minimal, with the mass influx of Shi'i books from Iran and the Shi'i workers from Iraq, the Ja'faris have a stable community in Sana'a and Ma'rib. As for the Shi'i Human Rights issue, there are several elements: from 1962-70, there was a civil war in North Yemen, after which there was the establishment of the Yemen Arab Republic. Once this happened all funding of Zaidi schools from the government ceased. Religious schools were shut down and the teachings of the Zaidi sect were limited to their mosques. The generic form of Islam became Sunnism due to the large number of Yemeni workers returning from the Gulf States in the 1990s, who were influenced by the Islam of the Gulf States. In Yemen the Salafi-Wahhabi institutions received funding from Saudi Arabia, thus they were allowed to continue teaching in their institutes. The lack of funds and schools is the first element for the decline in Zaidism. By contrast it is true that Ja'fari Shi'ism is increasing but just like the Zaidis they have been threatened by the Sa'dah events. The Sa’dah events start with the rebellion of al-Houthi, he was a Zaidi cleric that fought against the Yemeni government because he claims that the Yemeni government is cooperating with the US and Israel. This led to a mass effort by the Yemeni military to sweep all support away from al-Houthi by exercising violent military might. This is where the Human Rights question is raised. The actions of the army are akin to that of the Ba'thists in Iraq and the Wahhabi extremists. There has been a media ban issued on the Sa'dah events and journalists who have written on the subject have been jailed. The actions taken by the military and security personnel were not limited to the al-Houthi supporters; they included acts against Zaidi villages and Ja’faris. Security personnel denied Ja'fari scholars like Sheikh ‘Ala ad-Din al-Mousawi to return to Yemen from his trip to UAE. In 1999, the Fatima al-Zahra mosque, in the al-Haraja village of the Khawlan Zaidi tribe was shelled. Closing institutions, confiscating Shi'i books and the jailing of Zaidi clerics on Eid ul-Ghadeer in 2005, are all examples of actions taken by the military forces. It is true that Ayatullah Sistani in Najaf but also Ayatullah Ruhani in Mashhad have voiced concern because there are reports that the military personnel are harassing villagers, killing innocent civilians indiscriminately, shelling and bombing of villages and the confiscation of Shi’i books like the Najh al-Balagha of ‘Ali ibn Abu Talib and as-Sahifah as-Sajjadiyah of ‘Ali ibn Hussain, that are in turn being burned. Thus there is evidence of misconduct on the part of the military personnel regarding Human Rights violations. These violations have led to many accusations of “genocide”. This however is to be decided by the United Nations Human Rights Council. Al-Zaidi 7:07, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Thank you ver much for your very informative entry. Good luck in your thesis! ;) Jidan 14:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Shi'as in Yemen

Hello al-Zaidi. I want to be informed on how Shi'as are treated in Yemen. Any trouble? ^Klak_Sonn^Talk 22:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Muslim Assyrians

Hello, thanks for creating this article. Would you like to do some work on it? Like, citing sources? Thanks. — EliasAlucard|Talk 18:35 21 Aug, 2007 (UTC)

Invitation

Salam, Nice to meet you.

I invite you to participate in our task force on Shia Islam and add your name there. It is good fortune to have a Zaidi Shia there.--Seyyed(t-c) 15:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Salam

Assalam Allaykom (Peace be upon you)

i have noticed that you are a fellow Arab wiki-User , i would like to Invite you to Join the Arab Wiki Project.

our goals are to Increase the Public's Awarness and Develop Articles that are related to the Arab world, and help each others to achieve it, we are all good in certain things, so why not complete each others to make the Arab world a more Understood region for readers in Wikipedia...

i hope you join in, and get to explore the Project more, and add your name as a member in the Project...

Ma Assalama (Peace be with you)

--Arab League User (talk) 05:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Stop

What you are doing about Malta, it is wrong, they are not Arabs. - Cradashj (talk) 03:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I never said they were pure Arabs, I simply stated the facts, the Arabs ruled Malta from the 9th century to the Norman Conquest. There are even Arab gravestones on Gozo. Maltese is an Arabic dialect.Al-Zaidi (talk) 07:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

The Arabs and Muslims were sent out of Malta. Maltese are not arabic in any way. Malta is 98% Catholic. - Cradashj (talk) 20:27, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Being Christian doesn't mean you cannot be Arab. Being Arab doesn't mean you cannot be Christian since Lebanese, Iraqis, Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, Egypt, Sicily, Sardinia, Calabria, Andalusia, and Yes Malta is no exception. In Spain there was the Inquisition, and Arabs became Catholic. During the Norman Conquest Arabs in Malta and Sicily became Catholic. If you read your history, you will see that being Arab and being in Europe is not impossible, the Roman Emperor Phillip was known as Phillip the Arab. Al-Zaidi (talk) 06:57, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

You're wrong, Maltese, Sicilian and others are not Arabs. I've read history, the Arabs was kicked out, many during Norman times, the rest during the Inquisition. You cannot try to say that a Maltese is the same as an Iraqi! Also Egyptian people are not actually Arabic either, they're ethnically Egyptians. We of Malta have our own culture as a European people... there is some similarity in language, but that is all, Italy has a huge influence instead. - Cradashj (talk) 10:32, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I didn't say Maltese are Iraqi i said You can be Arab and Christian at the same time.Al-Zaidi (talk) 04:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

The Arabs in Malta / G. Wettinger. In: Malta : Studies of its Heritage and History / ed. Mid-Med Bank (Malta, 1986), pp. 87-104. BTW Maltese doesn't "some similarity in language" with Arabic, it is an Arabic dialect, evolving from Siculo-Arabic. Modern Maltese is heavily influenced by English and Italian.Al-Zaidi (talk) 04:28, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Need Help

Dear Al-Zaidi... assalam alaykom

I need your support for the following Template deletion...

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please support this template that includes the 50 largest Arab cities, by supporting it to be kept.

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سلام علیکم

Can you enable your Wikipedia e-mail? I had some questions regarding ancient Yemenese history and would appreciate your help. --Nepaheshgar 16:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Main article: GILANI Sayyads of Masanian Sharif

Al-Zaidi

I did not check you messages before. I did not know how to.

Main article: GILANI Sayyads of Masanian Sharif

Now I have registered with Wikipedia

Guide me how to start a Main article : GILANI Sayyads of Masanian Sharif

and then form a link to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GILANIs of Masanian (talk • contribs) 19:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Balti

No sorry. I have not touched on this topic for a few years. Perhaps you cabn try google and search for his name--maybe contact details of Senge Tsering will pop-out? Alternatively, if he's tied to a certain University, can perhaps contact him through the University? Mr Tan (talk) 05:37, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Timur

I have reverted your edits to Timur because, based on my reading of the sources you cited (which I accessed through Google books), the sources don't support your claim that Timur converted to Shiism. If you restore the claim in that article, please provide complete citations, with page numbers, so that others may verify. Thanks. ~Amatulić (talk) 19:59, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I wrote the following which is fully supported by the sources I provided in English: "However, whilst in Tirmidh, he had come under the influence of his spiritual mentor Sayyed Barakah, a Shiite leader from Balkh who is buried along side Timur in Gur-e-Amir.".Al-Zaidi (talk) 20:32, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

There is no need to reply on multiple talk pages. Replying here is sufficient.

Please refer to Wikipedia:Verifiability, which requires that references be verifiable. The references you provided aren't verifiable because they don't include page numbers.

I searched through those sources myself. As far as I can tell, they do not support what you wrote. I could find nothing to verify the assertion that Timur converted to Shiism. As I stated before, please provide complete citations, not partial citations. Thanks. ~Amatulić (talk) 20:47, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Please read what was written, no where do I mention he "converted". You were able to find it in google books? No offence, aren't you a scientist? I will do it for you. Al-Zaidi (talk) 20:52, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Your first edit claimed Timur secretly converted to Shiism.[5] That claim is not supported by the references you provided.

In your revert, you removed the conversion claim,[6] but still make other claims not supported by the references.

You cited Four studies on the history of Central Asia, Volume 1, which doesn't even mention Sayyid Barakah anywhere. The other source you cite, Islamic Art, mentions Sayyid Barakah only once, on page 130, saying only that Timur and Barakah are buried together and that Sayyid Barakah was Timur's spiritual guide. There is nothing about Timur "coming under the influence" of Barakah and there is no mention that Barakah was a Shiite leader. He may well have been a Shiite leader, but the references don't say so, as far as I can determine.

Again, provide page numbers. This is about Wikipedia:Verifiability, an official policy on Wikipedia. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:07, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Aha! I see the problem. The word "Barakah" doesn't exist in the Four Studies source, but "Baraka" does. Thanks for providing the page numbers. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:20, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

As for the conversion, like I said, it was an old revert to which I added the sources. When you revert it reinstates and deletes all of the edit not portions. When you brought up the conversion I deleted it from the revert. At the moment I do not have the time to translate Arabic and Persian Manuscripts to write an article on Sayyid Barakah. You should do it.Al-Zaidi (talk) 21:23, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, there's still a matter of the claim that Sayyid Barakah was a Shiite leader (two of the three sources don't say that, and I can't verify the journal article you cited). All I can see is that he was a teacher to Timur[7], a holy man of indeterminate denomination[8] in Tirmidh, and so on. The information available in English is rather scant.

I could easily start a stub article on Barakah (I think his full name was "Mir Sayyid Baraka", no?), but unfortunately I am familiar only with western languages, certainly not Arabic or Persian. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:39, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

No that is not his full name, and you are forgetting the "h" in Barakah, Mir is not his name it is a title conferred upon him. You are going to make me write an article on him aren't you?...Al-Zaidi (talk) 21:48, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I can't "make" you do anything, but I have no choice but to defer to your knowledge of Arabic and Persian. Okay, I've started the article Sayyid Baraka (I used that spelling because most of the sources I can find seem to spell it that way, without an H).

As to your suggestion on my talk page regarding learning Arabic: While it would be nice to be able to read the Qur'an in its original language, Mandarin Chinese has higher priority at the moment due to my in-law relatives. And that's a hard language for a westerner like me, who adapts more easily to languages like Spanish and German. I expect Arabic would pose a similar challenge as Mandarin due to its dissimilarity from western languages. ~Amatulić (talk) 23:22, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

It's a start. As for the "h", it is the same difference between the names Sarah and Sara. In Arabic you can hear the "h" in Barakah and Sarah. German is pretty easy, (you have to learn Arabic, Persian, English French and German to be a western Islamic scholar), Arabic would be less difficult than Mandarin only due to the script, abjad (consonantly phonetic) versus chinese characters (you either recognise them or you don't.Al-Zaidi (talk) 23:34, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm unlikely to add more to the article soon because those few lines pretty much exhausted the sources I found online. Other than being a spiritual patron to Timur and being buried next to him, I found that Timur had given him a fiefdom, but that's all.

What would you say is the most correct name for the article? I chose Sayyid Baraka simply because of the sources I found, but if the actual pronunciation should have an 'h' then perhaps Sayyid Barakah (which is a redirect) or Sayyed Barakah would be better. What do you think? ~Amatulić (talk) 23:39, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

What you have is good for now and I understand your constraints to online sources. You can leave the spelling the way you have it for now. When I get around to translating the 5 Arabic and Persian books that I have, I will redo the entire article or just publish my article and reference it on here. Sound good for now?Al-Zaidi (talk) 23:54, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. I hope you will expand the article here. ~Amatulić (talk) 00:53, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Rights

By the way, I notice you've been around a while, with over 1000 contributions to the article main space on Wikipedia. Please review WP:ROLLBACK, and if you are comfortable with that, I'm happy to put on my 'Wikipedia administrator' hat and grant you that right. It's an efficient way to revert vandalism including multiple sequential edits by the same vandal. Other than that, it's best to use the 'undo' feature, as you and I were doing to each other on Timur, because 'undo' lets you explain your reasoning in the edit summary, whereas rollback doesn't. ~Amatulić (talk) 01:01, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I am flattered. It will help against vandalism.Al-Zaidi (talk) 01:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

You now have both WP:ROLLBACK and WP:REVIEWER rights. ~Amatulić (talk) 01:37, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks.Al-Zaidi (talk) 04:13, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Ismailis in Central Asia

Hi! I got your username from the Shi'ism task force list. WikiProject Central Asia has Ismaili Sects in Central Asia on its requested article list. Would you be willing to help get the article started or find other contributors who might be interested in helping?Aelfthrytha (talk) 02:26, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

A Short History of the Yemenite Shi'ites

Hi, you have posted at least one of the references in Wikipedia to "Article by Sayyid 'Ali ibn 'Ali Al-Zaidi, A short History of the Yemenite Shi'ites (2005)". Where was this published, please? – Fayenatic London 18:01, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

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Salam alaykom

Dear Ali, I'm going to work in Shi'a Islam task force. I saw your name among the former active members. You can certainly help in this field. I'm preparing a new to-do list. Look forward to see you. Mhhossein (talk) 07:40, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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