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Category:Germanic music[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:32, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale (music): WP:NONDEFINING WP:CROSSCAT. Apart from Category:Early Germanic music (which is a WP:SMALLCAT), there is nothing specifically "Germanic" about the subcategories, which are all in the Category:Music by country tree. Just because a Germanic language is the predominant language in each of these countries doesn't mean all their music is necessarily "Germanic", certainly not if it's purely instrumental. Or to take a particularly ridiculous example, most Category:Eurovision songs of Luxembourg are in French, which is not a Germanic language. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:34, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale (literature): Again, apart from Category:Early Germanic literature, this is mixing up Category:Literature by country with the predominant native or official language of that country that just so happens to belong to the Germanic language family. Much of, say, Dutch or German or Luxemburgish literature isn't actually written in Dutch, German or Luxemburgish, but Latin, Greek, or French (or nowadays English). E.g. Category:Books by Desiderius Erasmus are Latin or Greek, but in the Dutch books > Dutch literature tree, and there is nothing "Germanic" about them. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:49, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale (legends): Again, apart from Category:Germanic heroic legends (and Category:Legendary Norsemen), this is mixing up Category:Legends by country... Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:04, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:1966 thriller films[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:33, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories, normally diffusing by year starts in 1980. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:12, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional people by language family[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗plicit 06:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to recently deleted "Category:Fictional Turkic people" per WP:NONDEFINING WP:OCEGRS. The very few loose items can be diffused/manually merged into subcats if they're not there already. (E.g. most "fictional Celtic people" are redirects, or already in Category:Asterix characters). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:07, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Maya rulers[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Maya monarchs. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:43, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C following recent CfRs more precisely renaming the subcategories, they are currently all Kings, monarchs, queens, or chiefs. Today someone else also renamed the main article to Maya Kings and Queens, so WP:C2D would also apply. I'm not sure it's the best title for the main article, it should certainly be lowercase k and lowercase q. But aside from Maya monarchs as main article title, Maya kings and queens would certainly be compatible with all subcategories. The "chiefs" one were also frequently called "kings", and the "monarch" ones only got that name because there were both kings and queens. So I'm adding it as an Alt option. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:27, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support first option. A speedy WP:C2D does not apply because the article has been moved recently without discussion. Considering there is not a Maya-specific reason to provide the article with a deviant new title, WP:C2C should have precedence. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:20, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah, I didn't know that, but it makes sense. I'm fine with either option but technically C2C would take precedence, yes. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:10, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People of Western European descent[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:33, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Related cats Category:Western European people, Category:Northern European people etc. were recently deleted per WP:NONDEFINING WP:ARBITRARYCAT WP:OCEGRS. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:51, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Chilean people of Germanic descent[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:33, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Inappropriate WP:CROSSCAT that violates WP:OCEGRS: people should only be categorized by ethnicity or religion if this has significant bearing on their career. Having a native language that belongs to a certain language family is WP:NONDEFINING for an individual's career. It also assumes that all e.g. "Danish people" – here in the Category:People by nationality tree – are native speakers of Danish (a Germanic language), which is factually wrong. I can name countless recent precedents but the "Category:Germanic people by occupation" CfD is probably most relevant. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:40, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PS: I'm just nominating 1 "of Germanic descent" cat as a test case to keep it simple. If it succeeds, I'll use it as a precedent for all related "Germanic descent" cats. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:42, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional Western European people[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional European people. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Follow-up of recently deleted "Category:Northern European people" and "Category:Western European people" etc. per WP:NONDEFINING and WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Upmerging to Category:Fictional European people seems better than outright deletion in this case. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:27, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sentient objects in fiction[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 7#Category:Sentient objects in fiction

Category:English military personnel of the Thirty Years' War[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:English people of the Thirty Years' War. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:35, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT and a trivial intersection because England was not officially involved in the Thirty Years' War. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:28, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:58, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:44, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge -- English (and more particularly Scottish) soldier served in this war, though neither England nor Scotland was a belligerent, but the one person in this category can easily be placed in the target. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:29, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sargon[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Sargon (chess). (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: With all the entries at the Sargon disambiguation page, I think the name of this category should be more specific. BOZ (talk) 16:15, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Portland Timbers (MLS) coaches[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:36, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The article on the MLS side is located at Portland Timbers, so no disambiguation is needed. Also note that this would be consistent with Category:Portland Timbers players. If the disambiguation were to be preferred, then the year should be used in the category name instead (similar to Category:Portland Timbers (2001–2010) players) and the player category should fall in line. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:13, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Basketball League venues[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:35, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE. The Basketball League is a minor league whose teams usually play in high school gyms and community centers. The teams are not the only or primary tenant of these arenas. User:Namiba 16:06, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People of the Polish People's Republic[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People from the Polish People's Republic (1947–1989). (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:36, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I created the target without realising that this category already existed. Anyway, I think that the name of the target is better as they were people from the state, not of the state. Would also help to disambiguate it from the 1944 Stalinist entity - the Provisional People's Government of the Republic of Poland. See also Category:People from the Republic of Poland (1989–present) (which I created today). Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:29, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle @Laurel Lodged I'll note that Polish category (connected through interwiki) translates here and for the other category below as "people related to". And it includes Soviet people, such as Soviet ambassadores to Poland or commanders of Soviet troops in Poland. Those people are not "from". Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:00, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whether "of" or "from", Soviet people do not belong in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:50, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People of the Second Polish Republic[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:People from the Second Polish Republic (1918–1939). (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:37, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: They were from the state, not of the state. See also Category:People from the Polish People's Republic (1947–1989) and Category:People from the Republic of Poland (1989–present) (which I created today). Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:16, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I checked the interwikid Polish category. It includes categories for emigrants from other countries to Poland. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:01, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Polish people of the Thirty Years' War[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Military personnel of the Thirty Years' War. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:01, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat. Only 1 entry. Unlikely to increase, what with the war being over and all. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:43, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Right now I'm counting 3 articles that should be there, which is still a WP:SMALLCAT issue. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:British people of the Thirty Years' War[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:38, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The Kingdom of Great Britain did not exist during the course of the Thirty Years' War. Sub-categories already diffused. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:30, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kamikaze in fiction[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 11#Category:Kamikaze in fiction

Category:Films about Kamikaze[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 7#Category:Films about Kamikaze

Earthquakes by year[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge, but not to the science categories. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:03, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Not enough per year in 17th/18th centuries. –Aidan721 (talk) 02:44, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom, but I wonder about the third "in science" merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:47, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't love it either. I figured I'd include it to start, but fine with getting rid of it. –Aidan721 (talk) 11:50, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am formally opposing merging to science because earth quakes themselves are not a scientific activity. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:55, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:1116 SEN[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:39, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a single radio station without sufficient volume of spinoff content to warrant an eponymous category. Apart from the eponym itself, the only other thing here is one show that it airs, so it's also a WP:SMALLCAT -- and judging by its article, the only potential for expansion would involve categorizing individual staffers, which would violate WP:PERFCAT. Bearcat (talk) 02:09, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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French emigrants[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
about 55 more

* Oppose countries with compound names Despite what has been written above, there is no "Consensus at recent cfds" that has definitively and universally "endorsed the 'fooian emigrants to boo' format". That imposition is still being robustly opposed. It certainly has no consensus in the case of those countries with compound names that defy an easy demonym. While their use is to be generally decried, they are particularly useless with multi-ethnic empires, many former countries and countries with compound names. In this instance, I oppose the nominations for Wallis and Futuna, French Polynesia, and French West Indies. Down with the tyranny of demonyms! Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:56, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Since no renames are proposed here I wasn't initially sure if this iVote on the right nomination. (If any of the target categories with compound names should be renamed, I'm open minded but that can be in a future nomination.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 14:24, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose stricken. I have instead, per the wise advice of @Oculi: ,proposed that the contents of Category:French Polynesian people be renamed. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:23, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone is free to propose Category:French Polynesian people or Category:Wallis and Futuna people or for that matter Category:New Zealand people for a rename. Oculi (talk) 18:35, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rankine Lecturers[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:39, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT & WP:OVERLAPCAT)
The British Geotechnical Association hosts an annual Rankine Lecture and invites a speaker who is already a prominent geotechnical engineer. This performance isn't treated as defining in the articles, which are already in Category:Geotechnical engineers or other engineer cats. The category contents are already listed right here in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:19, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:United Service Organizations entertainers[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:40, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT)
The USO is an American charity where celebrities volunteer to entertain troops. According to that main article, during World War II alone, "the USO did 293,738 performances in 208,178 separate visits". The Robin Williams, Lucille Ball and Fred Astaire articles mention this performance in passing while Judy Garland, Zac Brown, and Salma Hayek don't mention it at all. (Bob Hope is the only one I found defined by the association, but his article is already well linked.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:19, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:07, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Just because a Category is not complete yet is not a reason to delete. There are many categories that are not complete yet. The names should be added, not the Category deleted.Telecine Guy (talk) 01:05, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's no claim of WP:SMALLCAT here. Participation is so ubiquitous, I have no doubt this category could grow to thousands of entries. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:15, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. At most a footnote in an entertainer's career. Oculi (talk) 03:20, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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