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Should all museums be listed in "Type" categories at the National level or lower?

There appear to be three common levels to the types of museums we commonly use. Category:Quilt museums is the global level, Category:Quilt museums in the United States is the national level, and Category:Quilt museums in California is the state level. I dont believe there's much interest in going to Category:Quilt museums in San Francisco, California. So, given that, should all museums be defined at least at the National level, if not lower? dm (talk) 02:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Glad to see the quilting example persists! Country Level For the United States sure, we can always have a country level because there would tend to be enough articles in English to justify just about any museum cat anyone dreams up. State Level My original position was that each US state cat should be viable on its own and have at least 4 or 5 articles created or planned. May I also suggest that, if a majority of states have viable quilting cat, we require it across the board for consistency? This means the national auto museum cat would change as it would have subcats for Michigan, California, Nevada & Florida but museums from other states would be directly in the national cat. Conversely, South Dakota would be stuck with a house museum cat for consistency. Is this a reasonable compromise or an overly technical two-part standard that is unworkable in practice?RevelationDirect (talk) 03:44, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I'd counter, with, "if a majority of the states *have* a museum in that cat, it be handled at the state level". ie: if more than 25 states have a Quilting museum, we handle it at the state level, even if it's a single article category. If less than 25 do, we do it at the national level. Or perhaps, what might be easier is if there are more then 25 museums of that type in the country? Let me ponder this a bit, and especially how I'd have to change what I've been doing. dm (talk) 12:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Category talk:Museums in the Louisville metropolitan area

If you follow the link, you'll see a 2 year old discussion about how to handle the fact that Louisville Kentucky has basically enveloped a portion of Indiana. I'd like to recommend that

Thoughts? dm (talk) 05:51, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable to me. I would just think ahead to other metro areas to make sure you want to head down this road. The Cincinatti metro includes Paducah, Kentucky as well as suburbus in Indiana which seems clear enough. I suspect adding West Virginia's panhandle to Washington DC or southern New Hampshire to Boston might cause confusion though. Use your discretion.RevelationDirect (talk) 02:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Cincinnati metro includes a city in Kentucky 300 miles away?--King Bedford I Seek his grace 06:00, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Meant to say Covington not Paducah. Good catch. You've done a lot of good work with articles in this geographic area. What are your thoughts on expaninding the cat?RevelationDirect (talk) 11:22, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I have done a ton of stuff in Louisville/Kentucky, and even have several DYK articles in the Cincy area (Paducah too, for that matter ;) ) I still stand by Metro areas being good grouping, although state lines make it tricky. The biggest problems with metro areas is working with the differences between official MSAs and practical Metros, not to mention distance. After all, the John Hay Center is technically in Louisville Metro, but really doesn't belong in a Museums of Louisville Metro category. It is a finicky category, and you have to rely of wise decision making whether than a hardline definition. I think a Cincy Metro area makes a lot of sense, especially as I was the one working on Portal:Cincinnati, but I would not want in a Museums of Cincy Metro museums that are too far out of the I-275 beltway.--King Bedford I Seek his grace 20:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Sioux City metropolitan area covers four counties in three states. Quad Cities is five cities in two states. Ugh. If we followed this policy in Manhattan by using the Tri-State Region, (29 counties and three states) I think it would win :) I think using the Louisville Metropolitan area to distinguish it from the city itself accomplishes what we need to be clear about dm (talk) 15:49, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Museums that are small portions of other articles

If you take a look at this article Embroiderer's Guild of America, you'll see a small mention about the museum which can clearly be expanded, perhaps into its own article. The article had been tagged with the various museum cats. I'm starting to think that when we see this, we should put in a redirect that comes from the actual name of the museum and points to the article (eg: Embroidery Museum and Resource Center ) which I then tag with the museum cats and the interesting {{R with possibilities}} subst. This makes sure the museum cat has the actual name of the museum instead of the article name. It puts the tags on the museums, not the larger article. If the museum expands enough (as in this case possibly), the redirect turns into the article. Thoughts? dm (talk) 04:19, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Utility of outlines to wikiprojects

Here's a discussion about subject development you might find interesting.

The Transhumanist 22:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Help needed to cleanup Museum

Hi- The Museum article needs some clean-up help, please see Talk:Museum for further info. Thanks much! --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:02, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Museums of California

I just spent a day going through Category:Museums in California, I'd love some feedback. I'm sure we could move some of the categories down a level (ie: Chinese art museums -> Art museums). I tried not to question some of the parks which claimed to be museums, many of them have an open air collection of old buildings. I've already done this to Alaska, Arizona, and Arkansas. Somehow skipped Alabama. Anyway, pls take a look dm (talk) 05:51, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Some of the parks, like others which are dual purpose, get fuzzy and I think comes from which it's more notable as. I think a lot of the subcats in this project (which we mostly inherited) are a case of overcategorization bordering on hampering usefullness but I know there were good reasons for making them. I don't have a ton of time to look into this right now. StarM 01:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Completed through Connecticut dm (talk) 06:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Completed through Georgia. Florida has a *lot* of museums dm (talk) 10:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Completed through Maryland, working on Massachusetts which has more museums than Florida dm (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

USS Massachusetts (BB-59)

We will be working to improve this article for about a week, so please do come and help. You can get instant access to the channel with this. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  03:21, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Umbrella Cover Museum

I'm not sure what other categories something like, Umbrella Cover Museum, should fit into. I'm starting to think there should be a Category:Collecting museums or Category:Specialty museums for these singular things. Thoughts? dm (talk) 22:31, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Add Beer Can Museum to this list dm (talk) 05:26, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Clearly we need to create the following categories: Category:Umbrella cover museums, Category:Umbrella cover museums in the United States, Category:Umbrella cover museums in Maine. Then we can delete the article for not being noteworthy but leave the cats behind!RevelationDirect (talk) 03:59, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I would be reluctant to create a miscellaneous category because they are inevitably over-used down the road. (After all most museums are “collecting” or “specialty”.) For the Umbrella Covers how about Category:Fashion museums in the United States and/or Category:Textile museums in the United States? For the Beer Cans, I would suggest Category:Food museums in the United States and/or Category:Industry museums in Massachusetts. If you really feel you must create a new category, I would suggest Category:Alleged museums that may just be elaborate jokes. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:59, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Mary Baker Eddy Historic House

is really a disambig article covering a number of buildings. Anyone with some spare time who could look into splitting it up would be greatly appreciated. dm (talk) 19:40, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it's generous to call it a disambig article since it doesn't point to actual or likely articles. Moved it under a new section in the Mary Baker Eddy biography article which is also a mess.03:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

The Journey Museum and Gardens

I have been working on the page for the Journey Museum and Gardens off and on for quite awhile but have come to a point where it needs either a serious overhaul or a massive edit to make it more NPOV and WP Museum Standards compliant to get it to the next step. At this point, I have no idea where to go with it. If someone would be willing to help me out a bit to either edit/fix it or point out what specifically should be done to do so, it would be very helpful. If I could just get someone to put a week's effort into it, I may be able to take it from there (unless of course someone would like to help beyond that :) ). Fact-of-the-matter (talk) 17:57, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, how about an hour's effort? Usually I find that, if you're having trouble knowing where to start, your sub-sections are messed up and this article was no exception. I overhauled the layout, rewrote it so it wasn't a commercial, added a map and a few minor items. Hope that helps!RevelationDirect (talk) 13:20, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

A-Class review for USS Massachusetts (BB-59) now open

The A-Class review for USS Massachusetts (BB-59) is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! -MBK004 06:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

A Current Debate Over a Museum / Gallery Distinction

I have recently added a few museums/galleries to the Lansing page under the Culture section. The section was recently deleted saying that what I had listed were commercial galleries and should not be included with museums. After reading the museum/gallery distinction on the talk page here I am still a little fuzzy, but my interpretation was that an art museum has a privately owned publically shown art collection. I had just initiated the section, it is not the most flushed out as far as references yet.

There is a discussion of this going on the Lansing talk page. I am not opposed to the reorganization of the content, I think that the outright deletion of it is not productive.

If anyone that is experienced with WikiProject: Museums could help me weigh in on this situation on the Lansing talk page it would be a big help in preserving the content. Feltcap (talk) 12:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

See below under Museum of Contemporary Art Detroit for a discussion about revising this distinction.RevelationDirect (talk) 01:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Imperial War Museum - review?

Hi there. In the interests of transparency, I am a curator at the IWM. Anyone who's been following this article will know I've made a lot of changes to it. I have endeavoured to abide by WP:V, WP:NPOV and WP:NOR, and to stick to facts sourced from WP:RS. I have declared my interest also at WP:COIN. If any fellow editor finds my edits objectionable please discuss on the article's talk page.

Having declared my interest, I would like to ask members of this project to review and reassess the article. Is it ready for Good Article nomination? Thanks for reading. IxK85 (talk) 12:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

BTW: I took a look at this when you posted and it looked like a well done article. I did not see anything overly promotional (and I've seen a *lot* of museum articles in the past two months). I fixed some cats, but overall, I like the work you've done. dm (talk) 19:31, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations for getting to GA dm (talk) 01:28, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Article request

American Museum Novitates, Bulletin of the American Museum of Natural History, and Memoirs of the Queensland Museum are the most mighly-cited museum-related journal on Wikipedia which don't have an article for it (see this). You might want to create an article on this publication.

Also of interest might be J. Bombay Nat. Hist. Soc., Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies, and Journal of Contemporary History, Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology, Records of the Columbia Historical Society, and Journal of the History of Ideas, but I'm going with the idea that history and museums are related rather than an actual connection with museums. Headbomb {ταλκκοντριβς – WP Physics} 15:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Academic Journals/Writing guide. Headbomb {ταλκκοντριβς – WP Physics} 20:19, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Museum of Contemporary Art Detroit

claims to be a non-collecting museum? Thoughts? dm (talk) 18:45, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Many "contemporary" art museums do not have a permanent collection so that they stay edgy and on the cutting edge. The Delaware Center for the Contemporary Arts has no permanent collection and, until it sold out a few years ago, neither did the Guggenheim. (And, no, I am not trying to compare those two institutions!) Are you concerned that a non-collecting art musuem is the same thing as a gallery?RevelationDirect (talk) 13:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
The Guggenheim had a permanent collection in the square part of the building while the rotunda changed constantly. Yup, if you look above, one of the definitions of "museum" was a permanent collection. I've been cutting "artist spaces" etc out of the museum category. dm (talk) 03:55, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Under the current definition, both the Detroit and Delaware museums would be out. Nonetheless, I think claiming that most of the country's contemporary art museums are not museums after all would be preposterous and means that our definitions need to be revised. I'm just thinking out loud but perhaps art institutions that are both non-profit and describe themselves as a "museum" should be left in. What do you think?RevelationDirect (talk) 04:20, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
While a natural history museum has only one thing to display and will always display that same thing, it seems like a good art museum would be one that regularly switches things out so that patrons can continue to see new art. While a museum with the Mona Lisa in it will probably always want to leave that on display for new visitors, local art museums probably should be switching out their collection regularly. For contemporary art in particular, the style will continue to change and what the art they want to display and patrons want to see will continue to change. I think non-collecting art museums are just as legit as a natural history museum that has had the same exhibits for ten years. Fact-of-the-matter (talk) 20:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I agree contemporary art museums should host travelling shows, etc. To say that they should explicitly *not* collect does not sound like a museum, it sounds like an an art gallery. I found the AMA's definition of what is a museum helpful. dm (talk) 03:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
"unique contribution to the public by collecting, preserving, and interpreting the things of this world." is I am guessing what you are referring to. If a museum exhibits a certain painting or such for a set number of years and then returns it to its original owner, I don't think that is technically collecting, but they still have a fairly permanent display that slowly changes every few years. If a museum uses all items on loan and does not actually own the exhibited items themselves, as may or may not be common for art museums, then they technically do not collect. (Also, I would like to note that the other 4 definitions or criteria listed on the AAM's site do not mention a requirement of collecting.) I wonder if maybe an exception should be put in place for contemporary art museums that hold it. The chief consideration to look at would be if the AAM and the ICOM would consider the entity a museum. Both of those can be found at that same link above. Fact-of-the-matter (talk) 15:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
You’re using an actual professional museum society’s standards instead of the litmus tests that Wikipedians have dreamt up? You’re playing with fire there buddy because the AAM recognizes zoos, aquaria, art centers and arboretums as museums!
These definitions don’t consistently support the notion that a museum should have a permanent collection. The Museum and Library Services Act definition only says that museums must "utilize" objects not own them. The IMLS standard only says that museums must “care for” objects. True, in order to be eligible for for AAM accreditation, you DO need to have a collection but that is trying to define GOOD museums.
I have no opinion as to whether contemporary art museums should or should not have permanent collections. I just don’t think that should be the standard for determining whether or not they are a museum. I would rather go with non-profit or government status, which several of the standards list.RevelationDirect (talk) 02:09, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I agree that the AAM's requirements for accreditation may be above the standards we need, as RevelationDirect is right, we are not talking about exclusively good museums, we are talking about any museums that someone might actually want to know about. One other point, is that the AAM holds one of the few standards for museums that requires you to "own" the items you are displaying. Others just say that you need must "display" and "maintain" items. I would vote that we modify the litmus paper that Wikipedians have dreamed up to exclude the requirement of "owning" items as would be consistent both with the Federal authority in the United States and with the International Council of Museums. Fact-of-the-matter (talk) 15:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Add Contemporary Art Museum St. Louis to the list. I agree, these are clearly museums and not commercial galleries. dm (talk) 04:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Here's another example which *is* a collecting museum, Kemper Museum of Contemporary Art. dm (talk) 16:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

So do we have a general consensus that the requirement of collecting should be removed the definition? Also, what is the procedure for changing that? Do we need to create a new section in the talk page entitled something like "Proposed Revision to Wikipedia Definition of Museums" or something along those lines? Fact-of-the-matter (talk) 16:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Right now, as I go through the states (In Missouri now), I'm using a "I know it when I see it" exception to larger institutions which are clearly contemporary art museums and yet, not collecting. I would be unwilling to drop that rule entirely, since there are a *lot* of art galleries or art centers which are not museums. So, let's treat it as an exception. WP:IAR. dm (talk) 12:15, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) What about Site Santa Fe? dm (talk) 04:01, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Museum of Contemporary Art, Chicago GAR

Please contribute your thoughts to Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Museum of Contemporary Art, Chicago/1 to discuss its recent delisting from WP:GA.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:48, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Dutch windmills

Should a Dutch windmill that is open to the public be added to Category:Museums in the Netherlands? If so, should the criteria be that the mill has a declared opening time, or should it include those that are open by prior arrangement only too? Mjroots (talk) 06:45, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Category:Mill museums seems appropriate and since there are probably enough, even Category:Mill museums in the Netherlands would probably be ok. A lot of museums have limited hours or call to make sure its open, especially historic house museums etc dm (talk) 04:04, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

As might be expected, Nevada is full of interesting questions

      • No comment on Copperfield, but the defunct museums one is a good one. THere are a growing number in NYC, including National Museum of Catholic Art and HIstory if said closing ever makes the news and my listing it as such is not OR. I think it depends on the quantity in a given state to determine whether it warrants a subcat. StarM 03:11, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
    • If an organization self-identifies as a "museum", I would tend to give them the benefit of the doubt and include them. Take my input on David Copperfield with a grain of salt though as I don't agree with our definition for a museum. I'm surprised planned but unlikely museums have articles!RevelationDirect (talk) 03:05, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Byne's disease

I've just created this article: Byne's Disease. I do believe it should be within the scope of this project, but I'm not quite sure of it. --Daniel Cavallari (talk) 01:02, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, I've always focused on particular museums in this WikiProject. Articles like this one and Nazi plunder are all related to the museum profession or industry even though they're not about a particular museum. If you look under [:Category:Museums]], we have cats for Museum people, companies, associations and education. Would one for Museum:Administration or the like be appropriate for these articles?RevelationDirect (talk) 01:36, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
I think the above-mentioned admin category would be a good idea StarM 02:29, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Jewish Museum (London)

Could somebody take a look at this?

The museum's press officer has replaced our existing article with a verbatim dump of text from the museum's website.

There is probably material there that should be usefully be kept and added to what we have already, but for a couple of reasons I'd prefer not to get involved myself.

(Also flagged at WT:LONDON) -- Jheald (talk) 13:43, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

WP:GLAM

Hi all, I thought I'd leave a note here to say that I'm looking at creating a place for keeping together all of the advice and policies etc. that we have for people who work as professionals in the library/archive/museum field who wish to join in with Wikipedia. I propose to eventually place it at WP:GLAM but it's currently in preparation here User:Witty_lama/Sandbox (and equivalent talkpage). The idea is not to conflict with this wikiproject-museums but to be a repository of information and one-stop-shop for culture-sector professionals. It would, of course, reference out to here and to relevant policies like CoI, External Links and Notability. I'd appreciate any feedback and scoping advice you have, and would hope that the two things can work together to greatly improve the quality of the content related to museums on WP. Witty Lama 06:54, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

This page is now published at Wikipedia:advice for the cultural sector (aka WP:GLAM. Feel free to comment. It refers out to this wikiproject several times so some people may come across. Perhaps you might like to refer out to it from here too? Sincerely Witty Lama 15:17, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Mention of museums in big city articles

Hi, I am aware this may fall somewhat beyond the scope of this project, but other relevant projects are either too general in scope or too many in number to address this issue. I started by noticing that the Kansas City article had nowhere a section or subsection for its museums, though the Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art and the Kemper Museum of Contemporary Art are both mentioned as major art museums of North America. There are also a few History museums that woiuld justify a such a section. But before acting, I looked at some other big European and American cities with notable art, history or archeology museums to see if such a section exists. Here is a brief picture of what I got: User:Hoverfish/Sandbox#Culture sections / Main_sights / Tourism >> Museums. Some have a Culture section with a Museums subsection plus link to main article or list, some have it under Main Sights or Urban Landscape, some under Tourism, and some, surprisingly including Rome, none except from a poor mention of a couple or so under Economy /tourism. I think it would be an improvement for Wikipedia if the mention of museums in big city articles with important ones was more uniform. Maybe a suggestion/guideline from your project to other relevant projects? Hoverfish Talk 15:54, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of City and Town Hall

I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:City and Town Hall/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:57, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Category:Museums in Oregon by county

I don't know if other states have these subdivisions, but my view is this splits them too finely, particularly given that most subcategories only have one entry. I doubt most people interested in museums care which county they are in, however interesting that might be to Oregon buffs. So I thought I'd bring this to the project's attention. A related discussion on -by county categorization generally is at CFD. postdlf (talk) 02:58, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Discussion on splitting Category:Maritime museums and museum ships

There is an ongoing category discussion about Maritime museums and museum ships here: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 November 18#Category:Maritime museums and museum ships in Ireland. It started from a specific problem of Ireland , which brought up the need of reordering this categorization branch. Hoverfish Talk 11:13, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Rancho Camulos

I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Rancho Camulos/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:38, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Vilnius Castle Complex

I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Vilnius Castle Complex/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 22:51, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

National Museum of Western Art, Tokyo

I have expanded this stub about the National Museum of Western Art to include information about the building, its construction and history and have included additional printed references. Would somebody be able to reassess it for quality please? Kenchikuben (talk) 15:56, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I've raised it to B, but please place a museum infobox where the lead image is. The guideline says to avoid images in the lead, but I've seen several in class B. You could also place the image IN the infobox and include a map, as in this example: Museum of Modern Art. Hoverfish Talk 17:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Maritime museums and ships discussion (proposed split)

discussion to split the category worldwide Your comments may be useful dm (talk) 18:16, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

C-Class assessment

Since I will be doing some occasional assessment, mostly in developing stubs, can someone please help me understand the lower and upper inclusion limits for Category:C-Class Museums articles. I have looked into the lot and can't find any set rule. Many look like basic Start and some seem to be way into B. Also am I to understand that the V.1.0 Editorial Team doesn't take under consideration C-Class articles? Hoverfish Talk 07:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

drive by comment, but I'm not sure the assessment guidelines were ever finalized. Probably need to revisit that with input from newer contributors StarM 03:00, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Art museums and/or galleries

I was rather surprised to find that parallel category structures have developed for Category:Art galleries in the United States and Category:Art museums in the United States, within Category:Art museums and galleries in the United States. That division does not appear to extend outside of the U.S. categories, particularly given that Category:Art galleries is a redirect to Category:Art museums and galleries.

The reason why those terms were originally joined is because they are often used interchangeably (see art museum) or inconsistently, and to the extent those terms describe separate things, the distinctions between them are not always easy to discern and difficult at best to describe in the space of a category name. Did I miss a discussion, am I missing a good reason for this division, or was this just category entropy? postdlf (talk) 06:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi - I was just about to add a note to your talk page about the very appropriate renaming of Category:American national museums. There was a lot of discussion last summer in this project about the art museums vs galleries. The rough separation was "commercial vs non-commercial" with various comments about permanent collections (though many contemporary art museums do not have them). That discussion turned into the cleanup that I and others executed across the United States museum articles. I'm just finishing up Washington D.C. now, the last one before I move up to the national "type" articles. As for why the US has this and not the rest of the world, at some point, I'd wait until there were a lot more articles about art museums worldwide before focusing on that. Hope that helps... dm (talk) 07:30, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, could you link to the archived discussion? I'll give it a read-through.
BTW, on the issue of national museums, I'm glad you agree with the rename. I'm concerned about the substance of the structure, however, because I don't know what the inclusion criteria is beyond the museum having "national" in the name. National museum (unsourced) blandly states that it's for museums "maintained by a nation." If that's correct, then the structure is in serious need of pruning; I doubt the National Corvette Museum, the National Farm Toy Museum, or the National Construction Equipment Museum are federally run institutions. Thanks for your time, postdlf (talk) 07:38, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
this is a good start, but I'd keep reading from there. there's lots of other individual museum talkpage or user talk page discussions as well. As for the National museum, category, I agree it's poorly defined. I tended t::o give the museums the benefit of the doubt, but if we can better define the criteria (not that I necessarily agree with your definition at first blush), it would be great to prune. For example, there were some museums which received a national charter of some sort from Congress IIRC. dm (talk) 07:52, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
We have discussed the distinction between art galleries and art museums and our basic compromise was the latter must have a permanent collection (unless "modern" or "contemporary" is in the title) and be non-profit. While that represents a good effort at compromise and consensus I'm not sure it provides the best taxonomy. As I've been to different contemporary art museums, I'm noticing most exhibit some profit motivated tendencies like selling limited edition prints in the gift shop, having business card holders next to artists' sections which are clearly meant to facilitate direct sales with the artist, and outright price tags when an exhibit is about to change. Now you'll always have outliers in any category but I'm wondering if we've created a real distinction. I'm in favor of at least considering broadening our definition of "museum" to include both art galleries and zoos (which are recognized by the AAM).RevelationDirect (talk) 11:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Just to add to the confusion: in the UK, increasing numbers of state-maintained museums have been renamed e.g. "Locality Museum" → "Locality Museum and Gallery". In my experience so far, these local museums and local galleries used to be separate entities, and were apparently combined as a cost-saving option. Most of the examples I've seen appear to be mostly displaying regularly-changed exhibitions of local amateur art, which is not part of the museum's collection. However some of the larger museum-combos of this type do own professional artworks as part of their collections, or as part of the general collection maintained by the local government museums dept on behalf of all the local museums. I am not aware of displayed gallery items being for sale (outside the shop or cafe) but cannot confirm that. Please take the above information as from a casual observer; full information will be available from the respective local councils. An example of the UK museum-and-gallery phenomenon is Herne Bay Museum and Gallery.
In this case, which I've seen in the US, though perhaps not as formally, I tend to tag it with both, it hasn't come up very often. I'm more flexible at including "amateur art", though these are usually "art centers". I'd draw a hard line at the commercial galleries, personally. dm (talk) 16:59, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Based on this talk page and ones on individual museum/gallery articles, I think the original WikiPedia consensus on the definition of a museum has faded. But, I also don't see a clear consensus on what if anything to change other than giving contemporary art museums a pass on having permanent collections. So to some extent it does become a case of "category entropy" (a phrase I'm borrowoing from Postdlf because it's perfect). And, quite frankly, I lack the perseverance and commitment dm has to thoughtfully go through hundreds of articles to appropriately re-categorize them. The one thing that does concern me is this WikiProject has a lot more discussion about what to include and exclude than the other ones I participate in. Maybe that's because the topic of museums is legitimately more nuanced or maybe it's because we make it harder than it neeeds to be.RevelationDirect (talk) 18:58, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Complete run through of the United States museums

I just finished a complete run through of everything under Category:Museums in the United States by state. For each museum, I tried my best to put it in the correct TYPE categories (eg: Category:Industry museums in Illinois) as well as LOCATION (eg: Category:Museums in Cook County, Illinois). Several members of this project have helped significantly trying to figure out some of the oddities, as well as keeping me on track in regards to overcategorization. Even when we disagreed, it was a productive conversation, for which I thank them. Others helped out by taking on different parts of the US which really sped things up.

One comment, there are so many museums in the state museums lists, which are not yet created including several large ones. An excellent opportunity for someone looking for DYK's. Next up, I'm going to take a (hopefully) quick run through the Category:Museums in the United States by type. A big thank you to everyone who helped over the past eight months. dm (talk) 15:33, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

"Even when we disagreed, it was a productive conversation"
Actually, as I recall, I completely lost it at one point on overcategorization but you brought back on track to discuss rationally. (-: Before you launch on you review of museums by type, I'm curious what our standard is for inclusion when there are overlapping themes. Let me give a specific example: I went to the Please Touch Museum today. By a casual observation of the floor space of the exhibits, I would break it down like this:
  • 100% Children's Museum
  • 40% Transportation Museum
  • 20% Historical Museum
  • 15% Toy & Miniature Museum
  • 10% Art Museum
How far down this list do we go? (Or is exhibit space the wrong approach?)RevelationDirect (talk) 20:03, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
I think you mentioned that we sometimes make this too hard. It's a judgement call, one that's worth a quick good faith effort. Otherwise the Metropolitan museum will be in every type category, including military and war, musical instruments, textile, anthropology, etc.
Honestly, I dont expect to look at most of the museums again. My trial run helped clean up the overcategorization of agricultural museums in a few states, bringing them back up to the national level. That's why I dont think it will take too long. I think there are some great discussions to have still about the type categories. Farm/agricultural/food/rural/american west all seem to overlap in some way for example. dm (talk) 01:48, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Mary Rose peer review

Mary Rose is up for peer review. Comments and suggestions for improvement would be greatly appreciated.

Peter Isotalo 21:37, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikimedia Foundation projects and the museum community

This announcement might be interesting for the WikiProject Museums. Best --ThT (talk) 09:25, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

See also: Wikimedia@MW2010 --ThT (talk) 10:26, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement

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Minor Infobox Problem - Logo Size

Hello, I just added the Delaware Historical Society logo to the museum infobox. I want it to be about half the size it currently is but the ImageSize in the infobox seems to have no bearing. This was a *.gif logo I just downloaded and converted to *.png. Not a big deal, but if I'm making some obvious boneheaded mistake, let me know how to fix it. Thanks. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:49, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, I was on a computer with IE 6. Nothing looks right in that browser.RevelationDirect (talk) 01:56, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Mary Rose at FAC

I've nominated Mary Rose for FAC. The nomination can be found at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Mary Rose/archive1. You are most welcome to contribute to the review of the article.

Peter Isotalo 23:47, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedian in Residence

Dear all,
Just this week the British Museum and I have confirmed a project that will be taking place in June this year - they will be letting me come on-site as an official "Volunteer Wikipedian in Residence". You can read all the details about the project (including project ideas and CoI stuff) here: http://www.wittylama.com/2010/03/the-british-museum-and-me/

As you can probably Imagine I'm personally thrilled to be able to do this but more importantly I think it demonstrates a great investment of good-will on their behalf. If we can make this pilot project work well then working with the BM and other museums worldwide in a free-culture way will become increasingly productive. Further, it's important for me to stress that this is not about me "owning" BM articles, but about me being a resource that you can use, and also as an advocate for the "wiki way" of doing things inside the organisation. If this pilot goes well, they may end up making the collaboration a more permanent thing.

So, there's three specific things I thought I'd mention/ask:

  1. I'm trying to organise a "behind the scenes" guided tour of the museum and "meet the curators" session for interested Wikipedians in the first week of June. Keep that free in your diary if you're in London!
  2. If you've got particular things you'd like to do on-wiki (or IRL) related to the BM, please tell me and maybe we can work together or I could put you in touch with the right curator.
  3. What do you think about creating Wikipedia:WikiProject British Museum (as a sub/sister wikiproject to this one) in order to undertake an article assessment and also to be an HQ for future work? One of the best measures of success will be if we can show them an article assessment (like the one at this wikiproject, but specific to BM-related articles) and show how it has improved over time.

Sincerely, Witty Lama 05:07, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

To reduce overhead of creating new WikiProjects, why not just make the British Museum its own subproject of this one? I think showing them how article assessment for articles related to their works will be a great thing to do, and doesn't require a new set of templates &c. [though you'll likely be working on a lot of articles about individual works of art, which don't currently fall under this wikiproject... it's not clear where that work belongs, but see my new section below.] –SJ+ 01:30, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

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Guidelines for museums contributing to Wikipedia

Museums, from their directors and curators to their other staff and supporters, generally would love to contribute to Wikipedia. Museum curators and buyers are great examples of early pre-Internet Wikipedians -- identifying something in the world worth preserving, and giving it a name, a database record, a description and a permanent home.

We need to help them understand how they can contribute to the Projects, from descriptions of their work and collections to material and images describing their individual pieces and works. –SJ+ 01:37, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:WikiProject Museums/Working with museums. –SJ+


Guidelines for museum articles

Museums tend to have much better information about their own history and collections than we do; our museum articles are currently rather spotty and inconsistent in their coverage. While they aren't companies, they still have COI issues and their default text isn't neutral. But we should give them a way to publish the history and site-photos they currently have here, under a free license; as a suggested resource for future article writers.

We should also work on the guidelines for museum articles, which the more engaged museums can try to follow when posting the material they have about their own history. In particular, we should suggest a way to list major and minor works, and to link to detailed pages with full lists of works -- a minor incentive to create articles about the works themselves, something individual curators could do. –SJ+ 01:37, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

"Museums tend to have much better information about their own history and collections than we do; our museum articles are currently rather spotty and inconsistent in their coverage."
I find most official museum sites have the goal of thanking major contributors for their generosity more than giving information to a general audience. There are certanly exceptions. I'm not that familiar with the legal requirements to allow for republishing photos as you suggested, but it certainly would be nice to have more available.RevelationDirect (talk) 21:19, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Guidelines for articles about single museum pieces

Curators would make good Wikipedians, and have a wealth of knowledge about their holdings. They need clear guidelines about how to shrae this material, what sorts of material may need review for balance or neutrality, and what sorts of images and other media are appropriate. (If they have an audioguide to an entire collection, is that useful media to publish on Commons? would it attach itself to an article about the collection? If there is none, is that a reason to create one / could it be linked to from the individual items in the collection? &c.) –SJ+ 01:37, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

WP:GLAM and Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts/Art Manual of Style cover much of this ground already. Johnbod (talk) 15:48, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Missing museum articles

Anybody willing to have a look of the museums section of this list - Skysmith (talk) 11:36, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikimedia Foundation projects and the museum community

see also Archive

There's an ongoing discussion about The Wikipedia Lists of 100 Project related to museums. The project started as a result of the Wikimedia@MW2010 workshop, see

--ThT (talk) 17:48, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Conference report: Wikimedians meet with museum leaders (Wikipedia Signpost 2010-04-26). --ThT (talk) 06:32, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Montclair Art Museum discussion

Editors interested in coverage of museums might want to look at the discussion at Talk:Montclair Art Museum about whether to include information on the recent shrinkage of the museum's endowment, which led to selling off parts of the collection. The discussion is over whether that information should be in the article or not. -- JohnWBarber (talk) 20:10, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I can no longer asume Mgilles is acting in good faith here. Repeatedly removing sourced material from an article and ignoring the other editors on the talk page is not constructive, especially when I was willing to compromise on a shorter section. The editor's goal is suppressing any information about the museum that could be seen as negative. Let me know how you want to proceed.RevelationDirect (talk) 01:55, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Sutton Hoo GA review ==== British Museum prize

The British Museum is offering 5 prizes of £100 (≈$140USD/€120) at their shop/bookshop for new Featured Articles on British Museum related topics - in any Wikipedia language edition. Ideally the subjects will be articles about collection items.

The English-Wikipedia page WP:GLAM/BM is the clearing house for the BM's involvement with Wikipedia

They suggest a good place to start is at the British Museum's "highlights" page and sort "by culture" or "by place" relevant to your own culture/history/language. I did this & searched for Somerset. One of the hits was about the Sweet Track which was a pretty poor article for such a significant feature of my home county. I've made a start on improving it & if anyone fancied helping that would be great (we could share the prize :-) Obviously if others have ideas for BM related articles relevant to this project we could look at improving them as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodw (talk • contribs) 21:54, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


Sutton Hoo has been nominated to be listed as a Good Article. A review has started and is now on hold while the reviewer does more background reading on the topic. In the meantime a few points have been listed for improvement or discussion here. This project is tagged on the talkpage as one that has an interest in the article, and any extra assistance is always appreciated during a GA review. SilkTork *YES! 10:09, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Kanjanaphisek National Museum, Bangkok

Dear Sir/Madam,

1.- Following the official transcription of the Thai language, the museum's name would be Kanchanaphisek.

2.- This museum is not an agricultural museum. It will be the museum where currently undisplayed items from the National Museums network will be stored and partly displayed. The agricultural museum is a different museum, I think the official name is "Golden Jubilee Agricultural Museum" (golden jubilee because it was built to commemorate the King's golden jubilee birthday). The Golden Jubilee Agricultural Museum is currently closed for upgrading the premises, the Kanchanaphisek National Museum has not yet been opened to the public, the opening date is unknown, as I was told by a museum guard.

3.- Both museums - the Kanchanaphisek National Museum and the Golden Jubilee Agricultural Museum - are NOT in Bangkok, but in Khlong Luang District, Pathum Thani Province, about 50 km from downtown Bangkok.

4.- I am a German living in Khlong Luang District, Pathum Thani Province. If you need some further information about this area, please let me know. I will gladly help you out with information, but unfortunately I will probably not have enough time for being a real contributor to Wikipedia. My name is Dr. Alexander Walkhoff, Email [email protected].

Best regards,

Alex —Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.89.203.155 (talk) 09:15, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Museums articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release

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New article

Enjoy! ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 23:03, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Museums/Guideline

What's the status of it? Should it be marked as historical? BTW, it seems a bit messy that WP:MUSEUM and WP:Museum redirect to two different pages. --Eleassar my talk 22:42, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing

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I have updated the link to the cleanup listing on the project page. Unfortunately the new list shows of the 5695 articles in this project 2339 or 41.1 % are marked for cleanup.— Rod talk 09:35, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

GLAM initiative for Derby

A initiative with Derby Museum is being coordinated at WP:GLAM/DER. Comments and suggestions at GLAM/DER are welcome and if you are interested in visiting the museum, helping with the initiative or improving the related articles, please drop Victuallers or myself a note. Fæ (talk) 14:21, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Re-assessment Needed?

Hi there, I don't see an area to post new articles and/or articles in need or re-assessment. I know bots can be used to do this, but, I don't see anything relating to this.

Regardless, I recently expanded Hillwood Estate, Museum & Gardens and look forward to working on more. Thanks! Missvain (talk) 16:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Aviation Heritage Museum

I have started a new article about this aviation museum in Perth, Western Australia. I have given it the stub tag and I invite you to take it under your wing and post your banner on the Talk page. Dolphin (t) 02:51, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Museums/Assessment

The description section for article classification is missing the "C" class description. maybe it exists in the page history.(mercurywoodrose)75.61.141.242 (talk) 17:49, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Culture.si - 2000+ free text articles

Culture.si This is a portal by the Ministry of Culture of the Republic of Slovenia with over 2000 articles about Slovene culture. The text is under the same license as Wikipedia; you have to atrivute the source. Just wanted to let you know about this. --U5K0 (talk) 13:13, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Revamped Indianapolis Museum of Art article

I wanted to share with you the revamped Indianapolis Museum of Art article. It is hoped that this project will make a case study in future GLAM collaboration for museums that ask how to best update their own museum's Wikipedia page. While in the past we've tended to stay away from the actual museum articles themselves due to conflict of interest issues, it was suggested that this would be a great opportunity to work through a process that could be replicated in the future. With the help of the Wikipedia community we will avoid conflict of interest problems while still providing the museum with an up to date article. If anyone would like to look over the article, I'd be happy for you to. Thanks! HstryQT (talk) 12:37, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Importance assessment

The suggested criteria for the importance assessment may be too vague, as there have been some disputes as to how large the "top" category should be. What should qualify as "top"? How large should the category be? Given as the importance is only a indicator of how critical to the project it is, how does this factor? As it stands, it appears to be far too heavily weighted to European art museums, with little emphasis to history, science, transportation, and little consideration of historical role or museum concepts. Thoughts? Morgan Riley (talk) 00:15, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

On the art and archaeology side it is inevitable that the biggest European & US collections are most important. We have the big 2 Chinese collections, Egypt - maybe Bagdad and Damascus should be added. In Iran & India there is no single giant, Korea & Japan I don't really know about. How many science museums to include? Scientific exhibits are mostly just not as rare as Leonardos, or the grave goods of a pharoah. Or natural history? Is there a transport collection that stands above others in international importance? Or a military one? I rather doubt it. I agree more thematic articles should be there.
The current assesment criteria are here. To me they seem pretty vague & hard to follow. What is a "well-known museum" exactly?? The current (or recent) figures by importance are: Top 41 (in fact now 26?); High 82, Mid 438, low 2,908, N/A & unassessed 1,319+3,006, so project total =7,794. To me that looks like too few Tops and Highs, and probably Mids. But many very minor museums still have inflated ratings as Mids, & some quite significant ones have no rating (some no tag even). Johnbod (talk) 00:57, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
List of most visited art museums in the world gives some objective basis for classifications, though it is clearly biased to major countries & cities. The Natural History Museum in London gets over 4 million visitors a year I see, but no doubt Paris, New York & other cities do very well too. Most visited museums in the United Kingdom is also useful - I can't see other national lists with visitor figures on WP, there is http://www.squidoo. com/AmericasMostVisitedMuseums (sigh blocked site). Generally these confirm the dominance of art at the top of visitor figures. Johnbod (talk) 13:43, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Need article assessment

I looked at the Museum project page but could not find any place that I could request a class or importance assessment. Although it is not my area of expertise I have worked on the Grout Museum, my hometown museum. It is a large museum for the northeast Iowa USA area. I would appreciate an article assessment and some advice on where to look for more information about the museum, and how to improve the article. Please place the advice on the talk page.
Thanks and keep up the good editing.—RifeIdeas Talk 00:18, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

New page requesting peer review & assessment

I've spent a couple days building the new page for The Lillie and Hugh Roy Cullen Sculpture Garden by the MFAH in Houston, TX. It's relatively short but already has some solid content. Some areas that may be expanded could be the timeline and perhaps a more detailed section on the selected works.

Regards, ChrisEngelsma (talk) 16:28, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

GLAM Wiki events on July 22-23 in Baltimore's Mount Vernon Neighborhood

Join us at the Walters Art Museum on July 23

Please join us next weekend for GLAM Baltimore 2011 --- a series of two events organized by Baltimore Heritage on July 22-23 to build relationships between cultural heritage organizations, archives and museums and the Wikipedian community in Baltimore and Maryland. We'll start on Friday, July 22 with a happy hour at the Midtown Yacht Club in Baltimore's historic Mount Vernon neighborhoods. On the morning of Saturday, July 23, we'll meet at the Walters Art Museum for an introduction to GLAM Wiki partnerships around the country and break out into smaller groups to develop new ideas for projects. While we know that many of you are not able to make it to Baltimore for this discussion, please consider sharing this program with any contacts or colleagues that you think might be interested.

You can sign up and find additional details on our meetup page or on the Baltimore Heritage website where you can also use a form to RSVP for the July 22 Happy Hour or the July 23 GLAM Wiki partnerships meeting. I hope you can join us! --Eli.pousson (talk) 20:13, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Help updating Children's Museum page

Hello. I am the Wikipedian-in-Residence at The Children's Museum of Indianapolis and I'm also now staff. As such, it's best that I not directly update our museum's article, in spite of the fact that it's very much in need of help. I have specific requests and sources listed on the talk page. There are many other sources available as well, if searched. We're working on compiling some more third party sources. Any help is appreciated. Let me know if you have any questions or are interested in helping. LoriLee (talk) 15:11, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Lumen Eclipse Article

There is an article with a Museum proj. listing under the title Lumen Eclipse. To my knowledge, they were a graphic design firm that operated two video screens on a kiosk in Harvard Square, Cambridge MA. The no longer do business under that name, but rather the name "Oat Creative Design" (oatcreative.com) They do some nice design stuff, but not sure "museum" is quite their category. --24.60.201.88 (talk) 04:26, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

General comment about clean up

Observations from my efforts to organize/clean up List of museums in Texas. As a stand-alone, these lists are too big to view, edit or manage. Tables format adds tremendously to the size. It would seem no workable oversight and no verifiability is in place. Editors add red links that aren't serving much purpose without a corresponding page. Most on the Texas list are red links that some editor wanted to list without going to all the work to actually create a page. Almost as if editors have the misconception that Wikipedia has a staff just waiting around for delegation of a work load. The reader doesn't know what ceased to exist since a listing was put there, nor does the reader know if details are accurate. The List of museums in California is so large my computer won't even pull it up. Perhaps these lists were well-intended, but there ought to be a better system. As is, these lists are not an asset to the credibility of Wikipedia.Maile66 (talk) 16:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Untagged museums

In addition to the to-do lists above, untagged museums is a large project. I've brought this back from the archive again. Will strip any dates to keep this from the archive but this was orginally posted in Jan 2012 and updated in July 2012. StarM

I've recently come across some museums (Fichtelgebirge Museum, for example) which are in one or more of the museum sub cats but are not tagged with the Museum WikiProject Banner. In order to avoid an issue like we had with mistagged articles I've asked for a bot to run a list of articles in one of the Museum subcats but without the project banner & place the list here. Anyone want to run through that list and either remove ones that don't apply or tag with the banner if there aren't a ton?

List has begun with Africa, thanks GoingBatty.
Big list of Africa, Europe and Africa at Wikipedia:WikiProject Museums/Untagged. Some real gems in there. Working through this list over the next few weeks.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Star Mississippi (talk • contribs) 17:31, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

The Old Museum of Wisteria needs Mandarin readers

does anyone here read Mandarin? I had a look at The Old Museum of Wisteria and the current name has 0 ghits. Normally a museum will have at least one or two English hits from travelers, etc. I did some digging and found a possible source or two which I noted on talk. Think it might need a rename, but I'm not 100% sure. Can anyone who reads Mandarin lend a hand? I found a few result from a search on something else in the article, but this needs help. Thanks StarM 02:50, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

as does Yangzhou Museum. There's some definite confusion in the sources about where this museum is located. The photograph certainly doesn't look like a 1,500 year old Temple. Am leaving a message at WP:China as well. StarM 03:11, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Museums will have interest in putting on events related to women's roles in museums; as founders, curators, collectors, etc. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 19:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Hm, some interesting ideas. Wonder if there are any women's/women's history museums. StarM 02:20, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
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