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Buildings under construction

Dubai Creek Tower is missing in "Buildings under construction"

https://www.guiding-architects.net/dubai-creek-tower-the-worlds-tallest-building/ MustafaRaza 09:12, 17 October 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrqd9 (talk • contribs)

The Dubai Creek Tower is mentioned in the article List of tallest structures, which also describes the difference between 'buildings' (this article) and 'towers'. --Kallichore (talk) 14:55, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Tallest building by continent (Africa)

Iconic tower in Cairo has topped out and it´s the tallest skyscraper in Africa (385 m / 1,263 ft). ¿Could someone update this sections? Thanks in advance https://dailynewsegypt.com/2021/06/19/china-built-tallest-skyscraper-in-africa-topped-out-in-egypts-new-capital/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.122.90.112 (talk) 16:29, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Buildling

Which the Country 119.30.32.166 (talk) 04:59, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Hong Kong, Macau, and other similar cases

This is a follow-up to /Archive 4#Content dispute on "Hong Kong" vs. "Hong Kong, China" /Archive 5#Hong Kong and Macau, /Archive 5#Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2020 and /Archive 2#Hong Kong, China. Please fix the list according to the established consensus all along unless there is new consensus here superseding the existing, and repeated, conclusion. 219.76.24.215 (talk) 08:22, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Not only is it not clear what you want changed, but the only thing the links appear to make clear is that there ISN'T a clear consensus. PianoDan (talk) 20:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

To replace China China to Hong Kong Hong Kong or Macau Macau for Hong Kong and Macau entries. 219.76.24.198 (talk) 10:40, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. OK. Having read carefully through all the linked threads, I can detect nothing even vaguely resembling a consensus. Absent that, an edit request is not the appropriate format for this change, as it is not likely to be uncontroversial. PianoDan (talk) 03:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

If even these couldn't be detected then may I know what you would expect? This isn't something controversial at all except among some Chinese or pro-Chinese editors. Thanks. 219.76.24.219 (talk) 11:54, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
This is controversial as the debate and article edits have been going on for years. Accusations about being Chinese or being pro-Chinese are irrelevant. I am neither and have repeatedly changed flags to China. It is the country and that's it. No other sub-national flags are used so neither Hong Kong nor Macau should be used. There are many special status sub-national (non-sovereign state) entities across the world. It is more logical, neutral and understandable for a lay reader to only have national flags included. Robynthehode (talk) 16:01, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
By doing so you are coincidentally sharing the same position with Beijing, which go so far to have fined foreign MNCs for showing what they called "non-countries" alongside "countries" according to their definition. This way of presentation, though just coincidental, may appear to be "more logical, neutral and understandable" to you but this is unlikely the established practice on Wikipedia and many other sources elsewhere. In entries of sport events or membership lists of international organisations on Wikipedia and elsewhere it is the common rule to list these countries alongside sovereign states. In other areas that's the rule too as long as these countries take care of those areas largely on their own or are nevertheless managed separately from those matters in their respective sovereign states. Encyclopaedias and all those publications aren't just for lay readers anyway. 219.76.24.207 (talk) 07:41, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
For others reading this discussion, (as it seems unlikely that it will sway the anonymous contributor who made the initial request) I'll point out that there is an official Wikipedia policy on use of flags in articles: WP:SOVEREIGNFLAG. Hong Kong and Macau are not sovereign states , and therefore do not meet WP criteria for flag inclusion in lists in most cases. PianoDan (talk) 16:06, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
In practice flags of countries are routinely used, from lists of countries by HDI, GDP, forex reserves, life expectancy, to lists of visa requirements by country of any particular passports, and medal tables in Olympics or Commonwealth games. What ought to be excluded are, e.g., states, provinces, laenders, cantons, départements, and so on and so forth. 219.76.24.197 (talk) 13:12, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
And the many tables and lists about the Covid-19 disease. 219.76.24.193 (talk) 07:33, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
No need to open this endless discussion again and again. Let's stick with the current consensus.--Jklamo (talk) 17:05, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Agree. This list is currently a lone exception. Let's stick with the consensus on Wikipedia (which is in line with the general practice in publications in general). 219.76.24.193 (talk) 07:33, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
@Deryck Chan, JohnBlackburne, Ks0stm, Nick2253, Reenem, Timsdad, Pyl, and EaglesFanInTampa: FYI. 219.76.24.194 (talk) 09:38, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
@StPeteRays: Thanks. 219.76.24.214 (talk) 13:52, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
@Aquillion, BilledMammal, and Firefangledfeathers: FYI. 219.76.24.208 (talk) 13:10, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
— Note: An editor has expressed a concern that editors have been canvassed to this discussion. Firefangledfeathers 16:01, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. Editors who have taken part in past discussions in the same topic or a very similar topic and who appear not to have gone inactive or retired are pinged, regardless of their stances. 219.76.24.195 (talk) 11:08, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
@Fongyun, Citobun, Mathglot, Jojalozzo, Mjroots, 1233, and Sanmosa: Thank you. 219.76.24.195 (talk) 11:08, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
Sorry but I agree with the consensus. We should stick with the flag of China to make it simpler for everyone. Hong Kong isn't a separate nation.--RM (Be my friend) 10:45, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
No worries it's important to listen to many people and take into consideration many different views. But the word "country/ies" certainly isn't about "separate nation(s)". 219.76.24.214 (talk) 13:52, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
If you read across many different topics on Wikipedia you would probably find out countries which are sovereign states are in almost all cases listed on their own (unless that's something about very specific topics like the list of sovereign states). 219.76.24.216 (talk) 03:05, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Some had suggested in the past keeping the word "city" for one of the columns, but to replace "country" with "location" for the next column. We may alternatively explore options like the one below.
 
Rank Name Image Location Height[1] Floors Year
    m ft
1 Burj Khalifa Dubai  United Arab Emirates 828 2,717 163 (+ 1 below ground)[2] 2010
219.76.24.214 (talk) 13:52, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
I don't see that changing the title from "Location" to "Country" actually makes any difference - if the administrative unit in that list is sovereign states for everything else, then it should be the sovereign state for buildings in Hong Kong and Macao as well for consistency. Frankly, I don't understand your assertion that the word "country" doesn't refer to "separate nations". Those are literally synonyms. PianoDan (talk) 21:15, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Cos they aren't. Apart from sovereign states there are countries like Bermuda, Curaçao, French Polynesia, Greenland, Puerto Rico. Sovereign states are a subset of countries. 219.76.24.216 (talk) 03:00, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
If you read many older materials (or have lived long enough) colonies are always regarded as something covered by the meaning of the word "countries". It's so happened that most of the remaining colonies are too insignificant in terms of area and population, and economically, and there are too few of them. 219.76.24.209 (talk) 12:41, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Logic behind "western" hemisphere

There's a building listed as "tallest in western henisphere" What's the logic behind that definition? Planet Earth rotates on a ~vertical axis so it makes sense to divide it that way from the poles. But where's the dividing line to separate "east" from "west" if it rotates continuosly that way? 5.171.237.82 (talk) 21:07, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

While it is, of course, arbitrary, the dividing line is the prime meridian, and the corresponding meridian at 180 degrees E/W. See also Hemispheres of Earth. PianoDan (talk) 21:10, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Would such a saying "tallest in western hemisphere" be often a reference to those skyscrapers or any other structures in the Americas? 219.76.24.207 (talk) 08:10, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Colloquially, yes. While most of London, for example, is definitely in the Western hemisphere, "Western Hemisphere" is generally used in contexts where one wants to refer to the Americas. Since the prime meridian bisects Europe, people generally don't describe Europe in terms of hemispheres. But this isn't terribly scientific or precise. PianoDan (talk) 01:54, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Ping An Finance Center

In the photo gallery location is shown as Guangdong. That is the province name. The city is Shenzhen and should be shown as such. At present it is rather like saying that the Willis Tower is in Illinois (a state) rather than in Chicago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.241.43.53 (talk • contribs) 18:31, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

India's tallest tower under construction isn't listed

World One will be the tallest tower in India. At 442m tall, it should be listed under Buildings under construction but it isn't. Please add the building — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robynthehode (talk • contribs) 07:00, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

List of tallest skyscrapers

It isn't correct "List of tallest buildings" because Telecom towers are buildings but they aren't in the list. It's needed to move It. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Migang2g (talk • contribs) 11:53, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Uncompleted buildings in the first list

There's a seperate list for buildings still under construction. Why is the Merdeka 118 included in the normal list? It may be topped out, but until its completion, it can't be used and it's just like any other planned construction.--2001:16B8:31E5:CD00:4091:3292:79AB:D8FA (talk) 20:09, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

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tallest in 1973?

According to the lists and notes, the Empire State Building was tallest until 1972 and then Sears Tower from 1974–98. Why the 1973 gap? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.241.13.126 (talk) 00:36, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Different page here says ESB was tallest until 1971, then the World Trade Center (1971-73), then Sears Tower (1973-98). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.241.13.126 (talk) 00:40, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2022

174.99.185.226 (talk) 14:43, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

why is it

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:49, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Graphics

The lede’s illustration comparing the tallest skyscrapers in the world as of 2020 is now outdated, with the completion of Medeka 118 and what not. Any chance someone can create a new graphic to reflect this? KirkCliff2 (talk) 16:34, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Factually wrong lists

by displaying china for Hong Kong buildings, these lists are factually wrong.

now it would appear that Bank of China Tower and Central Plaza are the first buildings in china to get into the lists, but in 1990 and 1992 by some editors' logic here they were United Kingdom's buildings. RZuo (talk) 19:26, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand your concern. Those entries reference Hong Kong as the city the buildings are in, China as the country the buildings are in, and 1990 and 1992 as the years those buildings were built. Which one of those facts are you contending is incorrect? Bartzyx (talk) 00:41, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
The first Chinese buildings to reach 1,150 feet were probably Shun Hing Square in 1996 and CITIC Plaza in 1997. 203.145.94.109 (talk) 14:27, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
@Bartzyx: As opposed to BOC Tower and Central Plaza which ​RZuo​ had pointed out. 203.145.94.109 (talk) 08:40, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
@203.145.94.109: Early 1997. 219.76.24.199 (talk) 02:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
You may want to have a look at /Archive6#Hong Kong, Macau, and other similar cases. 219.76.24.219 (talk) 07:33, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
@RZuo what about adding "/United Kingdom between (year of completion) and 1997"? 219.76.24.222 (talk) 04:13, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

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Why is the CN Tower not in this list…..

The CN tower stands at 553m which is taller than the OWTC, yet it’s not on the list, the list says buildings, but there are other towers on this list.

It held the world record for tallest building in the world from 1975 to 2007 Add the CN Tower. 2001:1970:5A58:FA00:F852:430E:810B:40E8 (talk) 02:51, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

The CN Tower is considered as a freestanding structure, hence under CTBUH's guidelines it is not defined as a building.
Refer List of tallest structures for the complete list that includes all freestanding structures. PenangLion (talk) 15:51, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
There's a specific definition of "buildings", which does not cover all human-made structures. 219.76.24.211 (talk) 08:11, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

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Edit request

To add "/United Kingdom between (year of completion) and 1997" in the column for sovereign states in the entries of the BOC Tower and the Central Plaza, per suggestion to RZuo right above. 219.76.24.199 (talk) 02:31, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. It's unclear why this edit would be constructive. The buildings are not in the United Kingdom, nor were they ever in the United Kingdom. Buildings of that size do not move from one country to another. The buildings are and have always been in Hong Kong, which is currently recognized as a SAR of China. Bartzyx (talk) 22:32, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
those buildings were not in "🇨🇳China" either. to say that "they were built in 1990 in China" is factually wrong. RZuo (talk) 11:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
This list does not say they were built in any country. It gives the year the building was built, and what country it is in. Those buildings are in Hong Kong. If editors feel it is necessary to point out that Hong Kong was not a part of China when these buildings were built (which is of debatable relevance), then a note in the "notes" column may be appropriate. Bartzyx (talk) 21:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
how do you expect a reader to infer from these two points:
  1. BOC tower was built in 1990
  2. BOC tower is in China
that they would imply "BOC tower was built in 1990 but not built in China"?
any average reader would assume the building was built in the year given and in the country given in the table, because that's what this factually wrong list shows! RZuo (talk) 00:21, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Are you sure your assumption is correct; i.e. every single Wikipedia reader will definitely imply your statement as sound according to the list?
The year of completion and location (country involved) are separate columns depicting separate contexts. The year of completion states the information upon the...year of completion, while the location refers to the present location of the skyscraper involved.
Again, a pointless politically-motivated argument. This issue has been a thing since the late-2000s in this particular list, and several consensuses have determined how the columns should've been depicted.
I give my full support on @Bartzyx's suggestion. It's logical to put a notation, rather than a complete alteration in the columns. We're only trying to notify that it was built while the place was under British administration rather than the Chinese. Having to rename the entire column would instead imply that British Hong Kong still exists in 2022, which isn't the case. Gavre C.W. Tan (al. PenangLion) (talk) 09:44, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Again, a pointless politically-motivated argument. What? We are talking about the location column arent we? From their completion to 1997 these two buildings weren't there. 219.76.15.138 (talk) 13:01, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Weren't where? Did the buildings move? The change of political boundaries does not change the location of a building. Regardless, it's 2022 now. How is the historical administrative status of Hong Kong relevant to this list? It's footnote-worthy, at best. Bartzyx (talk) 15:45, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
So what about adding a footnote? The whole thing would have been much easier if the column is indeed about countries as it's stated at the top and like many other Wikipedia lists do, rather than just sovereign states. 219.76.24.199 (talk) 07:16, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
These people will go on to argue the territory has always been part of China by parroting the official line. These people don't think they are politically motivated. 219.76.24.199 (talk) 07:16, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Exactly. Are these two the only buildings in such a situation? 219.76.15.138 (talk) 13:01, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Yes, for the time being. 219.76.24.199 (talk) 07:16, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

There was not a tower among them

Milad Tower, the tallest tower in Iran and Tehran with a height of 365 meters, is not included in the list of tallest structures in the world. As an Iranian, I am worried about why our name should be removed from this list. please consider it Thank you M.haghi83 (talk) 14:31, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

The first few paragraphs of the article explain that towers are not included on this list. There is a separate list for towers. Versageek 15:00, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

questions and concerns

one building on the finished one says 2023, is that supposed to be that?

also should we mention the Evergrande and Greenland centers are unlikely to be built. 2600:1702:9F0:D140:ACB4:725B:235E:AC2D (talk) 20:05, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2022

Add Tokyo Skytree as 3rd tallest building. Zx6z9 (talk) 01:59, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: "Non-building structures, such as towers, are not included in this list (for these, see List of tallest buildings and structures). " Cannolis (talk) 04:59, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

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CN tower?

Should CN Tower in Toronto, Canada not be on here? 2607:FEA8:BC9C:9000:B166:5C8C:40EC:28A2 (talk) 04:52, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Not a "building" as defined in the lead. You can find CN Tower in List of tallest freestanding structures 201.17.81.193 (talk) 03:40, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Where is the CN tower in this list... 553 meters... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.96.82.101 (talk) 01:48, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Not a "building" as the person above said. TomMasterReal (talk) 02:43, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 November 2022

Any notation that a building in Hong Kong is Chinese should be removed. Themalegoodbye (talk) 02:06, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. HKSAR is a Special Administrative Region of China. Actualcpscm (talk) 10:51, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
@Actualcpscm: Cities with the largest number of skyscrapers in 2020, After half a century of success, the Asian tigers must reinvent themselves, Covid vaccines. 2403:F500:18:0:A46A:408C:62DC:D3E4 (talk) 15:19, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Unfortunately, none of those constitute reliable sources sufficient for establishing such a conclusion. One of them is a Facebook post, which I'm sure you're aware is not an appropriate source in any context. Please ensure to establish WP:CONSENSUS before suggesting an edit. Also consult WP:RS for more information on sourcing. Actualcpscm (talk) 00:34, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
One of them is a Facebook post, which I'm sure you're aware is not an appropriate source in any context. That's a Facebook post of Nikkei Asia. ... none of those constitute reliable sources Not even the Economist? You sure? 2403:4A00:4000:0:0:0:1:2A (talk) 09:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. This is clearly a contentious issue, and posting links to a single chart from the economist that ends in the year that Hong Kong returned to China isn't exactly a slam dunk. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:49, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

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There is no #9

There is no number 9 largest building on here. Atlantlc27Lol (talk) 22:38, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

2 buildings are tied on the 8th position--Baronedimare (talk) 11:19, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Tokyo Skytree missed?

It stands at 634 meters tall ??? 180.131.239.63 (talk) 00:14, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

340 metres

Is there a specific reason why the main list has 340 metres as a minimum criteria? Wouldn't it better if it was 350 or 400 metres? thomasmazzotta 18:36, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Antarctica

The Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station buildings are much larger and likely taller with or without ice and permafrost chipped from the bottom. The McMurdo balloon buildings look hardly 50 ft gauging from the stairs and ladder in the picture. B137 (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

One America Plaza?

Stands at 500 ft tall according to wikipedia, not included in list 2600:1700:52CA:300:CFBD:77B3:21D8:494E (talk) 10:19, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2023

Include the CN tower in this page and lists please! 553m or 1815ft tall 2607:FEA8:1280:7060:0:0:0:8C0F (talk) 20:31, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: The CN tower does not meet the definition of a building used in this article, which requires that entries are enclosed structures with continuously occupiable floors. Tollens (talk) 07:29, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 November 2023

Change Shanghai Tower to Tokyo Skytree which is the 3rd tallest building in the world (its a few meters taller (height is 634m) 87.236.142.117 (talk) 16:03, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: The Tokyo Skytree does not meet the definition of a building used in this article, which requires that entries are "enclosed structures with continuously occupiable floors". You might be interested in List of tallest buildings and structures, linked at the top of this article. Tollens (talk) 16:14, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2023

Add Toronto's CN Tower to the list of tallest buildings. https://www.qudswiki.org/?query=CN_Tower Kiccob (talk) 16:45, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Wikipedia is not a reliable source. -- Pinchme123 (talk) 05:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Pictures

The pictures are nice but probably don't need to be directly in the table. The tallest for each country could be kept along the righthand side - this would be 11 pictures, about the same height as the current 93 rows.

Having a table with only data in it would allow for about 30 entries to be viewed at once instead of just 5 or 6. Wizmut (talk) 11:08, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

CN tower

CN Tower in Toronto is taller than One World Trade 72.69.150.185 (talk) 20:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

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