Talk:Malik Dinar

Malik Deenar (r) Kasaragod Andyavisramam Kollunna Swahabi was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 26 March 2013 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Malik Dinar. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

Malik Deenar Uroos was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 20 March 2013 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Malik Dinar. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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Mythical Reference[edit]

Cheraman Perumal never went to Arabia. It is a myth. The story is possibly about a samoothiri who convered to islam — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.140.113.41 (talk) 00:27, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is said that he has visited Arabia and died somewhere in yemen Dr Zafar Hasan (talk) 10:03, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merger from Malik, son of Dinar[edit]

Duplicate article. --LePatro (talk) 20:34, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate and contradicting article[edit]

I could find duplicate article of Malik Deenar here -> Malik_al-Dar. Also, it has been described in that article that Malik Deenar was born in 613 AD. And this article states that he dies around 748 AD. Also, this article states that he directly converted to Islam under Mohammed. If so, did he live for more than 130 years? Please verify whether this article is an hoax or did Malik Deenar exist, but at later centuries?? - Vatsan34 (talk) 07:15, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is he from Sahaba or from Tabiun?[edit]

Sahabi (Sahaba is plural) is a direct disciple or follower of Prophet Muhammad, where as Tabiun is the next generation of Sahaba. What about Malik bin Dinar ? In fact he is a Sahaba, but in this article it is mentioned that he is a Tabiun. Moderators kindly correct this. అహ్మద్ నిసార్ (talk) 21:57, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tabiun Dr Zafar Hasan (talk) 10:02, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Poorly Referenced Article[edit]

There were good sources to describe the early life of Malik Deenar in the article. But, there were no sources (apart from websites) to describe his rendezvous with Tajudeen Cheraman Perumal. Please try to provide the references for those portions. - Vatsan34 (talk) 06:17, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jyoti.mickey (talk · contribs) This article needs a total revision. None of the sources provided are reliable. - Vatsan34 (talk) 14:37, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have done a little cleanup now including the long pending merger. There is lot of content that is unreferenced and sounds like puffery but they make still be okay and stay around till someone gets a reference or strikes it out as bogus. I removed only the unreferenced story-telling like the splitting of moon. --Jyoti (talk) 02:58, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious conversions from carpenter’s rods[edit]

In the article we are told that one carpenter’s rod equals to one and quarter of a cubit. Do we have any reference for this? If so, can we figure out an appropriate conversion factor? A couple of these measurements have been converted to feet and metres using the factor 1 rod = 2 ft 4 in. How valid is this? Jimp 01:53, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know, but for some reason I tried to investigate the 2 ft 4 in issue in August—I have no idea why. I don't recall seeing this article before, but perhaps someone asked about it somewhere? (In case you're wondering, I'm here because I was investigating your change to Module:Convert/data which I'll mention on your talk in due course.) I found some interesting historical pictures of "carpenter's rods"—a length of timber used for crude measurements (I see we have Measuring rod), but the only thing relevant to this article was at http://sizes.com/units/kani.htm with "Kól: Also, a carpenter's rod, = 2 feet 4 inches." I downloaded the 55MB pdf of the source given (H. H. Wilson, 1855, page 292 and 585) but while it is a fascinating glimpse of history ("A Glossary of Judicial and Revenue Terms, and of Useful Words Occurring in Official Documents Relating to the Administration of the Government of British India, from the Arabic, Persian, Hindustání, Sanskrit, Hindí, Bengálí, Uṛiya, Maráṭhi, Guzaráthí, Telugu, Karnáta, Tamil, Malayálam, and other Languages."), it is merely a list of terms that the author found, with many contradictions because a name in one region might refer to a certain length, while the same name in a different region might be used for a different length.

Because it is so charming, I'll include what the source says. The main part of the book contains the following entries for Kól:

Kól, ... The name of a barbarous tribe inhabiting forest and mountain tracts in the provinces of Benares, ...
Kól, ... A staff, a stick; a measuring-rod or pole; a pole, ten of which should intervene between the planting of two cocoanut[sic] trees.—See Jervis, 26. Kola, ... Measurement, a measure of four Gaz.

A large "Additions and Corrections" section contains:

Kól: also, a carpenter's rod, == 2 feet 4 inches.

In conclusion, the book just says what is quoted about 2 feet 4 inches—there is no explanation or other description. I would not call it a reliable source as it makes no claim that the term "carpenter's rod" always means 2 feet 4 inches—it just claims that a Kól had that meaning in a certain region in India at a certain time. Johnuniq (talk) 11:26, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It seems pretty iffy. We can't be sure that we've got the right region but what we can say it that this book was written eleven centuries after the events described here so we can be sceptical about the time frame. I reckon we're better without such "conversions" until we can be sure of what we're doing. Jimp 05:17, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree. My comment wasn't very clear on that point because I regard your edit as obviously correct—any conversion is pure synthesis. My investigations into the matter concerned the units in {{convert}} and were not related to this article. However, it seemed appropriate to dump my notes here when I saw your comment. Johnuniq (talk) 06:52, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Malik bin Dinar[edit]

The "bin" is missing in the middle of his name. Bin means "son of" in Arabic, as you probably know. He is known and recorded as Malik bin Dinar in most sources. Why exclude the "bin" then? Ifus1071 (talk) 06:04, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Searching the Surname or Tribe Details of - PALET or PALLATH From YEMEN or KERALA, INDIA[edit]

Greetings,

My name is Muhammed Shafi Pallath Hamsa from the southern part of India (Kerala). Kerala is Malik Dinar arrived Place in India in 624 AD.

I'm searching and collecting some information about my surname (PALLATH), and I have found some information about my ancient details and family trees.

My Ancient is Hindus and the cast is Nair, we're included in one of family, who converted to Islam in the time of Malik Dinar (the first 12 families).

He is the one, who spread Islam in Kerala, India in 624 AD.

Does anyone know about the PALET OR PALLATH, surname or tribe details of Yemen or India? Kindly reply to me or send an email.

We are Bamboo traders in Kerala Malabar side ( we migrated to Thrissur bharatha puzha (River) side (koloor kavu / Pallam). After the conversion. ( some of our families also migrated without accepting Islam and working together after long time separated and worked separately).

Our family collected bamboo trees from near by forest and transport them through the river and export locally internationally.

In my information and evidence I found my 6th great grandfather's name and Tomb.

Thank you.

Kind regards Muhammed Shafi Pallath.

(Malik bin Deenar or Malik Ibn Dinar was a Tabi'in who is famous for being the first to bring Islam to India. In 624 AD, Malik Ibn Deenar and 12 of his trade associates landed in Kerala. Their mission was not just trade but to propagate Islam in other parts of the world)