Talk:Tulunids

Tulunids was a History good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
June 19, 2008	Peer review	Reviewed
January 8, 2009	Good article nominee	Not listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on May 11, 2008.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the military prowess of the Tulunid dynasty of Arab Egypt was due to its multi-ethnic army composed of Turkish people, Sudanese, and Greek soldiers?

Current status: Former good article nominee

Islam: Muslim history

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My thoughts on the article[edit]

I was looking through the peer review section and found your article and, while I may not be able to give a peer review (I don't know what the requirements are but I probably don't fill them), I can at least give my opinion on the article; the article is good so far, however I think that there are: not enough references/notes from different sources in the article, the few ones you have got are not enough to cover an entire historical period; I don't agree with some of the ordering of the article; I think that you should have the layout as chronological (so the demise of the Tulunids being at the end) and the Military, Culture and Economy sections being tagged to each of their respective periods (so for example the section in Culture about Ahmad ibn Tulun founding his own capital should be placed under the Ahmad ibn Tulun section). Hope that helps. MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 09:35, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your thoughts. The references I have are mostly to Encyclopaedia of Islam, which is a very scholarly source that effectively and efficiently covers Muslim history. You should take a look at it. If you still disagree, please let me know.

The structure of this article seems to be in line with articles on wikipedia. Generally the history section is separated from culture and economy. See, for example, Ottoman Empire, where Economy, State, Society, Culture and Religion come after the "Fall of the Empire".Bless sins (talk) 03:52, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Turkey[edit]

I'm curious as to why this article is classified in wikiproject:Turkey. The Tulunid domains do not seem to have been extended into Anatolia.Bless sins (talk) 15:09, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you should check the article by searching the phrase "Turk". The terms "Turk"s and "Anatolia" are not the only common sets. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 15:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand what you're trying to say. (I should know, as I wrote it!) However, if you look at Uzbekistan it is not classified in wikiproject:Turkey, though the country has a lot of Turks. I think Turkey refers to the modern day state locatied in Anatolia, not the historical Turkic peoples whose history occupies the whole of Middle East, Central Asia, India, parts of China, eastern Europe and Russia.Bless sins (talk) 05:20, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because Uzbekistan does not need to be under the scope of Wikiproject:Turkey. There are enough Uzbeks on Wikipedia, but no Tulunids. Tulunids in not today's Egypt. You can stand against Republic of Egypt being under the scope of Turkey, but Egypt geographically and historically has strong binds with Turkey and Turks. Just an example from the dozens, Ottomans ruled Egypt for hundrends of years.--hnnvansier (talk) 13:15, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tulunids/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Hi! I'll be conducting the GA review of this article, and should have the full review up soon. Dana boomer (talk) 18:41, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
The lead should be a summary of the entire article, and therefore does not need sources unless you are sourcing a direct quote or controversial fact.

In the Military section, I am not sure about the need for the bulleted list. MOS discourages lists, and I really think this information could be presented well in a prose-based format. It wouldn't need to be all that much different than it is now - simply removing the bullet points and adding a bit of flow and context is all that is needed.

Due to my concerns about the sourcing, I have not done a complete review of the prose. Once I see work (or discussion) proceeding about the sourcing, I will complete the prose review.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
I have some serious concerns about the quality and quantity of sources you are using. You seem to rely heavily on the Encyclopædia Britannica and Encyclopaedia of Islam. It is frowned upon to use generic encyclopedias (such as Britannica) for substantial parts of the sourcing in an article - in this article, for example, the entire "Demise" subsection is sourced to the Britannica article on the subject. As for the Islam encyclopedia, it is not so much the source itself I am questioning as the absolute reliance on it in this article. You have 17 seperate citations to the main article and 13 more citations to two secondary articles. That is 30 out of 38 total! While the Encyclopedia of Islam is probably a good source, there have to be other scholarly articles and books out there that address this topic. By limiting yourself to such a narrow selection, isn't it possible that you are missing a large portion of the study on this topic?

I've added a couple of fact tags where I would like to see references.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Are there no images, other than maps, that you could use in this article? Drawings or paintings from this era, or even artist's renditions of what they thought the people of this dynasty looked like?
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
I have some serious concerns about the sourcing of this article, detailed above, as well as some issues with MOS and images. I am not failing this article outright, but this article needs additional work, especially on references, before it can reach GA status. I have this page watchlisted, so any discussion and comments can be left here, although you may also feel free to contact me on my talk page. Dana boomer (talk) 22:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Since I have not received any reply to the above review in the week that the article has been on hold, I am going to have to fail the article. Please feel free to fix the above issues and renominate the article at GAN. Dana boomer (talk) 17:46, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Map[edit]

The Map doesn’t even show the Country Blackmamba31248 (talk) 19:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 20:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]